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LGP: Pensational! said 08/04, 04:50 PM
All righty then, here are my changes to what is an impressive list.

Scratch Doug Gilmour for Teemu Sellanne. (WIN, ANA, SJS, COL)

Gilmour was a very good player, but simply put, Selanne is on an entirely different level.

Let's look at their stats:

Games:
Gilmour-1474
Selanne-1132

Goals:
Gilmour-450
Selanne-579

Assists:
Gilmour-964
Selanne-633

Points:
Gilmour-1414
Selanne-1212

Goals per game:
Gilmour-0.31
Selanne-0.51

Points per game:
Gilmour-.959
Selanne-1.07

All-star Games:
Gilmour-2
Selanne-10

Selanne is a goal scoring machine! Once scoring 76 goals as a rookie, he scored 40 or more goals 7 times. Gilmour did it once.

Selanne led the League in goals 3 times and twice led the League in goals per game. Gilmour? Not once in either category.

Change #2

Scratch Sprague Cleghorn for Tim Horton. (TOR, NYR, PIT, BUF)

The Hockey News ranks it's 100 all time best NHL players.

Cleghorn is 88th
Horton is 43rd

Horton was a 7 time All-Star and is among the top defensemen of all time. He was named 1st Team All-Star 3 times and 2nd Team All-Star 3 times.

Your team is very good. Mine is just better with Selanne and Horton.

LGP: Pensational! said 08/05, 10:24 AM
"Selanne has slightly better offensive numbers"

Slightly better? Are you high? That's like saying Angelina Jolie is slightly hotter than Whoopi Goldberg.

GOALS ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN ASSISTS! As an old friend once said, "Assists are easier to earn, 1.6 assists are awarded for every goal scored (meaning 40 assists only equate to 25 team goals)."

Selanne is a goal scoring machine and blows Gilmour out of the water in that department as evidenced by their 40 goal seasons, 7-1 and GPG, 0.51 to .031.

How about Game Winning Goals?
Selanne has 92 to Gilmour's 56 AND he played in 342 less games!

Let's not forget, Selanne was an AllStar 10 times in 16 seasons, Gilmour was an AllStar 2 times in 20 seasons. Selanne was named 1st Team AllStar 2 times and 2nd Team AllStar 2 times. Gilmour, 0 times.

Gilmour won ONE Selke in 20 seasons...ONE! Stop the presses!! Yes, he has the edge defensively, but not nearly as much as Selanne has the edge in goal scoring ability. Goals win games...period!

"Gilmour is the better...and it is seen in Hart voting"

Hart VOTING? Grasping for straws here aren't you? Gilmour WOULD have won it? Key point here JD, he DIDN'T win it.

LGP: Pensational! said 08/06, 11:51 AM
Selanne is a no show? 72 points in 105 Playoff games is a no show? They are close in the Playoffs, in the regular season, Selanne is hands down better.

Selanne's competition for AllStar? How about Jagr, Iginla and Alfredsson? Not exactly chopped liver, yet he made 10. Any more excuses for Gilmour?

Horton v Cleghorn

Games Played:
Horton-1446
Sprague-259

Horton was great over a much longer period of time.

Horton's teams won 4 Cups including 3 in a row from 60-63. Said Coach Punch Imlach, "I think Horton, more than any other one player, was the key to those glory days."

From Maple Leafs Legends, "Tim Horton was the ultimate defenseman in his time, and one of the greatest to ever play in the NHL."

And

"So good was Horton that a Russian hockey coach in 1964 claimed that Horton was the most fantastic hockey player he had ever seen."

From Legends of Hockey, "The case could be made that Tim Horton was the strongest man ever to lace up skates in the NHL."

From Proicehockey, "For the next two decades, Horton defined the bruising, reliable defenseman who can rush the puck and deliver a hefty slapshot"

Yes, Cleghorn was great. But Horton was simply better.