- 09/01/2009, 02:26PM ET
PHN Tournament Round II: All Loyalty Team: 7 F, 4 D & 2 G who spent their entire career with 1 team.
LGP: Pensational! said 09/01, 02:26 PM
The team must consist of 7 Forwards, 4 Defensemen and 2 Goalies. My list is in no particular ranking order.
A few guidelines:
--Players like Joe Sakic are eligible as the 2 teams he played on were one franchise.
--Players like Dit Clapper and Milt Schmidt are ineligible as they played both Forward and Defense and their numbers are skewed.
--Players who also played for WHA teams are ineligible as well. They must have only played for one NHL team.
Without any further ado, here is my list:
1. Mario Lemieux-Pittsburgh Penguins
2. Jean Beliveau-Montreal Canadians
3. Mike Bossy-NY Islanders
4. Maurice Richard-Montreal Canadians
5. Stan Mikita-Chicago Blackhawks
6. Joe Sakic-Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche
7. Steve Yzerman-Detroit Red Wings
1. Denis Potvin-NY Islanders
2. Nicklas Lidstrom-Detroit Red Wings
3. Jacques Laperriere-Montreal Canadians
4. Butch Bouchard-Montreal Canadians
1. Ken Dryden-Montreal Canadians
2. Martin Brodeur-New Jersey Devils.
This is a Tournament TD, so please allow each of us to post at least 2 arguments before voting.
Good luck TRB.
Duquesne said 09/02, 09:33 AM
That's quite an impressive team you put up there, but I'm going to have to make a few changes...
Here are the guys I think were more loyal
Mike Bossy - 10 seasons only 752 GP
Mike Modano 20 years, 1400 GP with the Minnesota/Dallas franchise
Jacques Laperriere 12 seasons, 691 GP
Ken Daneyko 20 seasons, 1283 GP with the New Jersey Devils
Good luck as well!
LGP: Pensational! said 09/02, 03:21 PM
Bossy vs Modano:
While Modano is a great player, he pales in comparison to Bossy.
Bossy--752 GP, 573 G, 553 A, 1126 PTS, +381
Modano--1400 GP, 543 G, 786 A, 1329 PTS, +124
Bossy's GPG 0.76 and PPG 1.50. Modano's GPG 0.39 and PPG 0.95--Bossy is the winner hands down.
Bossy--129 GP, 85 G, 75 A, 160 PTS
Modano--174 GP, 58 G, 87 A, 145 PTS
Bossy's GPG 0.66 and PPG 1.24. Modano's GPG .033 and PPG .083. Again Bossy is hands down better.
Bossy was a 7 time AllStar in 10 seasons, Modano was a 7 time AllStar as well, but in twice as many seasons.
Bossy won the Calder, the Conn Smythe once and the Lady Byng 3 times. Modano has no individual hardware. Bossy was 1st team AllStar 5 times and 2nd Team 3 times. Modano was 2nd Team once. No 1st Teams.
Yes, Modano played longer, but that doesn't make him more loyal, just lucky to not be injured.
Bossy was forced to retire early due to chronic back problems. He didn't quit the game, his body quit on him.
Finally, Bossy played his last year against the advice of doctors, his back was that bad. He played because he loved the game. What could possibly be more loyal than that?
Duquesne said 09/02, 11:24 PM
You want to talk about loyalty to a team? Mike Modano is the career games played leader for the Dallas/Minnesota franchise. Not only does he lead the franchise in games played, he is also the franchise leader in goals, assists, points, playoff games, playoff goals, playoff assists, and playoff points.
The name Mike Modano and the Dallas Stars is synomous.
I don't want to make this TD about putting Mike Bossy down. Bossy is a HOFer and a great player, but he didn't define the franchise the way Modano does. Bossy was just one piece (a big piece) of the Islanders franchise during their dynasty while Modano is the cornerstone of the Stars franchise.
The reason why Modano is more loyal is due to the amount of years and longevity of his career. Bossy only played for 10 years, and retired at the age of 30. He didn't even get a chance to leave the Islanders. Would he have stuck by the franchise when the going got rough? We'll never know. But we do know that Modano played his entire career, nearly twice as many games, with the Stars franchise.
I'll get to Daneyko in the next argument, but he is similar...the career games leader for the New Jersey Devils
LGP: Pensational! said 09/03, 10:09 AM
Laperriere vs Daneyko
Daneyko has longevity, that's about it.
Laperriere-691 GP, 40 G, 242 A, 282 PTS
Daneyko-1283 GP, 36 G, 142 A, 178 PTS
Laperriere-88 GP, 9 G, 22 A, 31 PTS
Daneyko- 175 GP, 5 G, 17 A, 22 PTS
Laperriere was a 5 time AllStar, and he won the Calder and a Norris Trophy. Daneyko was never an AllStar and he won the Masterton, but was never the games best Defenseman.
Laperriere was named 1st Team AllStar twice and 2nd Team AllStar twice. Daneyko? None.
Between 1969 and 1975, Bobby Orr led the League in +/-. EXCEPT in 1973 when Laperriere did. Daneyko never led the League in +/-.
You are confusing longevity with loyalty, they are NOT the same thing. In another PHN TD, it was the "Vagabond" team. They weren't hobos and it wasn't about who was the most travelled player. It was about the BEST players.
This TD is NOT about defining loyalty. Nor is it about confusing longevity with loyalty. Per Websters, longevity is "a long duration of individual life." No loyalty there my friend.
This TD about the BEST players who spent their entire careers with one team. My players did and are clearly better than yours.
Duquesne said 09/03, 02:16 PM
I still keep wondering where you are getting "best" players that were loyal to their team. All I see in the title is "all loyalty team."
As I stated in my second argument, my team, by the very defiintion is more loyal.
My two differences, Modano and Daneyko, combined for 39 seasons and 2683 games played. Your two pale in comparison with only 22 seasons and 1443 GP.
Your two guys didn't get the chance to prove how loyal they were. Both played for teams when they were at the peak of their success.
While my guys saw some success with their teams, neither played for a dynasty. They still stuck by their franchises in the worst of times. Can you say the same for your players?
Bossy made the playoffs every year he played. Would he have been loyal if they weren't winning?
You can keep citing your stats, that doesn't mean anything for loyalty. Both your guys played for perrennial winners and didn't have a chance to prove their loyalty by sticking around with their franchises when the going got tough.
Again, this TD, as per your title, is about the most loyal team one can assemble. And with 17 more seasons and 1240 more GP, that is clearly my team.
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