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  • November 05, 2009 07:02 PM ET

Vikings > Colts, try 2

rudedog: 8-1 fumbling issue (155-105-25) vs Uofmrules* BS (95-48-12)
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If you take this TD, please have logic to your arguments unlike the last moron

Average rank of defenses faced
Colts - 21.7
Vikings - 16.25

Average points per game
Colts - 28.1
Vikings 30.5

The Vikings have kept the big players they've faced in check. The only true big games players have had against them were Ray Rice and Rodgers recent game, both games the Vikings still won.

Now, for the explanation. The Vikings are playing tough teams and are beating each and every one. In the Steelers game, they were one bad call by the ref and one tipped ball away from Favre winning that game too.

Some more stats

Colts opponents rushing leaders
MJD - 26 touches, 123 yards, 1 TD
RB - 24 carries, 136 yards, 2 TD
Johnson/White - 20 touches, 84 yards
Jackson - 23 carries, 134 yards
Gore - 13 carries, 91 yards, 1 TD

So there run defense isn't too solid. And it's hard to get a true feel for their pass defense because they've faced David Garrard, Chad Pennington/Ronnie Brown, Kurt Warner, Seneca Wallace, Kerry Collins, Marc Bulger, and Alex Smith. Aside from Warner, those are some of the worse QBs in the league.

Again, let's try to be serious about this one.

MTC


Now the Vikings are a great team, don't get me wrong. But last time i checked regardless of who you play 7-0 is still better than 7-1.

Not to mention the fact that Indy has gone 7-0 4 times in the last 5 years. They're just good, no matter who they play.

They can't help that they haven't played the best schedule thus far, but this is the NFL not the NCAA. Any team can get beat on any given day because they are all the best players, regardless of of good the team is. Just look at Philly, they lost to Oakland. So trying to define a team as weak because they've only beaten easy teams is not fair or accurate.

I also don't get how you can get on any NFL team for who they play especially since Minnesota has played those same bad teams that Indy has. St. Louis and San Fran, and they played the Lions and Browns. They beat up on a GB team twice that isn't as great as people think, and they lost to a Steelers team who many people believe aren't that great.

So the only thing you have shown me is that Minnesota has scored more points than Indy and played "harder" teams.

Sorry but that doesn't make them better, what would make them better is a better record.


But last time i checked regardless of who you play 7-0 is still better than 7-1.

Not at all. Your telling met that the Colts, who have played the Jags, Seahawks, and 49ers at home and have went to Miami, Arizona, St. Louis, and Tennessee, have played an equally tough schedule as the Vikings, who have went to Pittsburgh, Green Bay and have hosted the Ravens, Packers, and 49ers. Not at all.

They beat up on a GB team twice that isn't as great as people think, and they lost to a Steelers team who many people believe aren't that great.

Green Bay is a solid team and they lost on the road against the defending champs. And, like I've said before, the truly only reason they lost at Pittsburgh is because of a bad screen pass and a bad "tripping" penalty. Other than that, they'd likely be 8-0.

And how can you logically say that scoring more and beating harder teams doesn't maker you a better team? That makes absolutely no sense.

And you can not claim a team is better off their record.

The Pats were 18-0. The Giants were 14-5. So that means the Pats were better and won the SB right?

MTC


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Ok. Let me give you this. Here's the records for the Colts and Vikings opponents when they played them

Vikings
Browns - 0-0
Lions - 0-1
San Fran - 2-0
Green Bay - 2-1
St. Louis - 0-4
Baltimore - 3-2
Pittsburgh - 4-2
Green Bay - 4-2

Colts
Jax - 0-0
Miami - 0-1
Zona - 1-1
Seattle - 1-2
Tennessee - 0-4
St. Louis - 0-6
San Fran - 3-3

So not once have the Colts played a team with a winning record while the Vikings have done it in 5 of their games.

And the combined records of their opponents

Vikings opponents - 23-35 - .397
Colts opponents - 17-33 - .34

No matter how you look at it, the Colts just flat out have an easier schedule than the Vikings have had and the Vikings have won just as many games as the Colts. And now they get a depleted Texans team today that just lost one of their top receiving targets and a great blocker in Owen Daniels.

The Vikings are going to finish the year with the Bears (2x), Bengals, Panthers, and Giants.
The Colts finish with the Texans, Titans, Jags, Jets, and Bills. So if they do go undefeated, it won't be impressive.


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November 5, 2009  07:12 PM ET
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danggit!!!!i wanted this one!

November 5, 2009  07:16 PM ET
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Rude, I'm surprised you're doing this again considering how many votes bconn got.

November 5, 2009  07:16 PM ET
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nice rudedog... lol

November 5, 2009  07:16 PM ET
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thise'th wille'th be'eth a good'eth one'eth!

November 5, 2009  07:24 PM ET
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QUOTE(#4):
Originally posted 07:16 PM ET  11.05 by Geno4Prez:Cmon Son!

thise'th wille'th be'eth a good'eth one'eth!

What'eth the hell'eth?

November 5, 2009  07:27 PM ET
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i am a vikings fan but i like rights arguement so far

November 5, 2009  07:54 PM ET
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Originally posted 07:16 PM ET  11.05 by The (Un)Official

Rude, I'm surprised you're doing this again considering how many votes bconn got.

ya but I really want a good debate on this. I think that a lot of his votes were **** bags who thought he was funny. Plus, I figure a lot of people didn't vote cuz of him. And I won by like 25, so I got some room there

November 5, 2009  07:59 PM ET
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douche*

November 5, 2009  08:05 PM ET
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I think you should open a thread about it. A lot easier to get comments out. Screw voting, it's mostly a phantom voting race anyways.

November 5, 2009  08:14 PM ET
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Originally posted 08:05 PM ET  11.05 by Steveo16220 says: Hello Boston

I think you should open a thread about it. A lot easier to get comments out. Screw voting, it's mostly a phantom voting race anyways.

You had me at hello

November 5, 2009  11:21 PM ET
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The Vikes have better players at the skill positions than the Colts or anyone. Right now Minnesota has players who are so good, it's scary. Indy is gonna tend to rise and fall on what kind of game Peyton Manning has. And I don't agree there's much difference between 7-0 and 7-1. if Indy loses to Houston this weekend, both teams have the same record. All that happened with the Vikings is they lost a competitive game on the road by ten points to the defending World Champs.

November 5, 2009  11:35 PM ET
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No way.

November 6, 2009  12:58 AM ET
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pretty sure the vikings have played the Rams, Lions and Browns..... aka the NFL trifecta of futility

November 6, 2009  02:00 AM ET
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It does matter who you play. The fact that the Vikes have put up more points on better (not harder) teams means something. The Vikings would ALSO be 7-0 if they had the same schedule the Colts have.....but the Colts...would they be 7-1 if they had to play in Greenbay AND Pittsburg?

Armchair_probowler...you're a tard....you're just mad because the Purple People Eaters made your boy Rodgers look like a High School QB (or are you still having abandonment issues with Grand Pappy Favre leaving).

November 6, 2009  02:11 AM ET
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Also, the Colts have allowed 4 different players to get 100+ yards (WR Ginn-Dolphins, WR Houshmandzadeh-Seahawks, RB Ronnie Brown-Dolphins, RB Steven Jackson -RAMS).

The Vikings have allowed 2 people to gain more than 100 yards (RB-Ray Rice-Ravens, TE Jermichael Finley-Packers).

So how can you say that a team with a suspect D (anybody who gives up 100+ yrds to the Rams is Suspect) is better than a team that has MORE games against better opponents and has one loss against the Defending Super Bowl Champs?

Voting left on this one.

November 6, 2009  02:34 AM ET
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Yes, but you also have to look at how they played against those quality opponents. Minnesota's D let Baltimore back into a game and won on a missed field goal when they should've won in a blowout, let Green Bay back into BOTH games despite playing superior for most of the games, and took a miracle at the end of the game. Anytime they play quality opponents, they are still unable to close out games solidly. They lost to Pittsburgh because right now Minnesota can't play a full 4 quarters. Sure it's gotten them to 7-1, but who's to say that it doesn't turn into 4-4 the rest of the way?

Thus far the Colts have proven that they can win in both a shootout AND in a game where Peyton doesn't even throw a TD. Minnesota still hasn't proven they can win the defensive struggles. You want an interesting stat? Look at the overall defensive rankings of both teams and I think you'll be pretty surprised.

Besides, the Vikings pass D has been pathetic this season. Manning would absolutely rip them to shreds head-to-head.

November 6, 2009  02:42 AM ET
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colts are my pick

November 6, 2009  02:52 AM ET
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Originally posted 02:34 AM ET  11.06 by Codebeard

Yes, but you also have to look at how they played against those quality opponents. Minnesota's D let Baltimore back into a game and won on a missed field goal when they should've won in a blowout, let Green Bay back into BOTH games despite playing superior for most of the games, and took a miracle at the end of the game. Anytime they play quality opponents, they are still unable to close out games solidly. They lost to Pittsburgh because right now Minnesota can't play a full 4 quarters. Sure it's gotten them to 7-1, but who's to say that it doesn't turn into 4-4 the rest of the way?Thus far the Colts have proven that they can win in both a shootout AND in a game where Peyton doesn't even throw a TD. Minnesota still hasn't proven they can win the defensive struggles. You want an interesting stat? Look at the overall defensive rankings of both teams and I think you'll be pretty surprised.Besides, the Vikings pass D has been pathetic this season. Manning would absolutely rip them to shreds head-to-head.

Thats ridiculous. The first Packers game wasn't that close. The Ravens game, I agree, should have been a blowout. But don't take a win away from them. And the last Packers game was @ Lambeau. Did you really think they were going to blow them out AT Lambeau?

And don't talk about how great the Colts are. The best team they've played is the 4-3 Cardinals (not looking at schedule. going off memory). Talk to me when they play a Steelers, Ravens, or Packers

November 6, 2009  09:56 AM ET
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Vikings have at least a few wins because of luck/inaction of opponents.

Head to head they would lose.

 
November 6, 2009  11:19 AM ET
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u of m what's up man!!!???

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