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  • November 09, 2009 01:10 PM ET

Jimmie Johnson crash was good for NASCAR making the Chase closer.

kodiak (3-7-1) vs Cletusz DeMeatusz (1-1-1)
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I believe that Jimmie being crashed out by a Toyota and nothing being being done by NASCAR was a shame and just another instance of NASCAR being bought and paid for by Toyota. Now that Toyota has left F1 they have more money to spend on NASCAR.
Jimmie being brought back into the Chase has left it wide open for NASCAR not having to do anything next year to change the rules and make the series more interesting for us to watch.
NASCAR seams to be content with COT and are glad to do nothing about it as well as this so called Chase crap.


If, in fact that were case, Toyota put a hit out on the 48, i don't really think it would be through the 00... I mean, Toyota has NOTHING to gain by the 48 getting wrecked!!!! Denny Hamlin and Brian Vickers don't even have a shot at the title. The only manufacturers with a shot is Chevy... except for Kurt, in a Dodge,not Kyle.... Yes, the Chase is the dumbest thing NASCAR ever---whoa, stopped that one there....

Toyota didn't put a hit out on the 48, it's just someone didn't have their golden horseshoe shoved up their you know where, that's all!!!!!!! Can't be lucky all the time, can we???

However, the 48 will win this weekend, on fuel milage, again, and have a 168 point lead, thus merely needing to start to clinch this B.S. Chase title.... However, by the "old" standings, the 14 is on top by 2....

On a side note, watch to see the 1 car get penalized... Yet the 5 and 48 only got "warnings".... that would make for a ruckus, now wouldn't it???


Toyota is just Starting to get their Ducks in a row and they are starting to get their big guns back from F1 after they started to fold their operations there.
All Toyota learnt from their experience from F1 is how to really cheat.
Where else would you have a team mate crash his car at full speed to bring out a caution so to give his team mate a unfair advantage and to catch up to the rest of the field with a full tank of gas after pitting and the rest of the field still needing to go in.
MWR has already shown they are more than willing to do their best to hold back another brand car.
Mikey the owner of the team held back Matt Kenseth in the last race before the Chase to bump Matt out of the Chase and to allow another Toyota into the Chase to start with.
Toyota did not care who it was thou looking back on it it I am sure they would have preferred Kyle over Brian Vickers but a Toy is Toy.
Toyota needed Jimmie and hence Chevrolet , GM to stop looking so dominate in the series.
True Chevrolet has already won the manufactures Title for the season but GM and the 48 team is just plain rubbing the fact that they are a better car into to Toy's face.


Toyota didn't have to go to F1 to figure out how to cheat. Remember the mysterious green goo in Mikey's intake manifold, in its FIRST RACE at Daytona in '07????? The Gibbs Nationwide cars with the magnets under the gas pedals to throw off the dynos in July Daytona '08???? Toyota(and their teams) are only missing one person and it would be like Oceans Eleven or something. Chad Knaus. If they had the Chad, NASCAR would need to totally disassemble their cars, and examine them, before and after each race.

Manufacturer competition has been around as long as the sport itself. There is NOTHING new with that. In either 90 or 91, Jack Roush went to Robert Yates and purchased a Yates 28 car for Mark Martin to run at Atlanta, for the 6 was trying anything to catch Earnhardt that year. That car was the best of what Davey Allison had ran all year, winning a few races in that particular chassis. Yates gladly sold Roush the car, TO TRY TO WIN FORD A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!! It didn't work, but still, manufacturer loyalty. Thats two words that you just don't hear anymore. Manufacturer loyalty.

If Toyota wants to be the best, in NASCAR, they need "quality drivers". not just the 18, or the 11.....


The examples you brought up were even more Toyota's that have cheated and got caught.
Mikey's goo in the intake ........ Toyota
Gibbs cars with magnets ..... Toyota
You trying to say the other makes are doing it too and just not getting caught?
They have Jimmie and Mark Martins cars under microscopes and as much as they would like to catch them cheating so they would have a explanation on why the Chevrolet's are smoking the rest of the field it just has not happened yet.
So short of Toyota's paying for hits on Jimmie and other Chevrolet's to slow them down there is nothing they can do.


When you have "super teams" like the Hendrick's, with the Stwart-Haas deal, thats 6 cars to give info back.... There starts to be a stockpile of information. Toyota is trying to combat that with the TRD thing, but Gibbs is out on their own, not playing nice with the rest of the group. MWR, Red Bull, RGM, they are part of the TRD deal. Gibbs is off in their own lil world, and suceeding at it..... However, it is not for the others, for the most part..... Take Ford for example. Roush-Yates is the ONLY Ford engine program for Ford. There is noone else... Dodge, well, they are in demise, anyways.... 3 Penske Dodges next year, MAYBE????!!!!!

Now, if i read right on the 5 and 48, one was over the limit, and one was really close. They've been busted before (Infineon, 07) for screwing with the front fenders. Now, they are playing with the rear quarter panels. They are on a fine line, and NASCAR is watching them like a hawk. But why shouldn't they??? You have the master of cheats for this generation, Chad Knaus, and 3 straight titles. Why wouldn't you keep an eye on that bunch??? You yourself have had that thought run through your head... what's Chad doing???

Cletusz DeMeatusz

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November 9, 2009  01:13 PM ET
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IT makes you wonder...............because being a huge Nascar fan I was losing interest

November 9, 2009  01:50 PM ET
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The "new" version of the Chase sucks out loud anyway.. I say go back to the Winston Cup days

November 9, 2009  03:16 PM ET
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1) I agree - The Chase is bullshit. It's not right to make the rest of the field feel worthless 10 races from the end of the season.
2) Like 2/3 of the rest of the nation, I've already lost intrest.
3) They changed the rules to make NASCAR a "Happy-Place" to bring the family. No more scuffles on pit-road or yelling at each other in the garages. Or anywhere else for that matter. Never know when a TV camera may be around the corner,
4) Rule changes coincide with the time they broke out that NASCAR approved P.O.S - I mean - COT. Making it harder to stomach the whole "NASCAR Experience" - for me. The Toyota looks just like the Chevy, which looks just like the Ford, which looks just like the Fiat/Mopar. NONE of which resembles anything I could possibly drive on the street.
5) 3.6% more "Green-White-Checker" flags these past few years. Prompting the speculation, NASCAR is manipulating the outcome of their races.
6) I have to "dumb-down" just to watch it. NASCAR's present day product is a mess

November 9, 2009  03:36 PM ET
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OH, goodies, I got to think about this for a bit. kodiak is straight to the point, but cleatusz is a Crazy kind of guy.
Then again, kodiak had the balls to vote for me in another throw down. But Cletusz can BS himself out of a bowl of soup, without staining.
This is going to be a Hard One, who want's it? LOL

November 9, 2009  03:37 PM ET
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Originally posted 03:16 PM ET  11.09 by 3-D

1) I agree - The Chase is ****. It's not right to make the rest of the field feel worthless 10 races from the end of the season.2) Like 2/3 of the rest of the nation, I've already lost intrest. 3) They changed the rules to make NASCAR a "Happy-Place" to bring the family. No more scuffles on pit-road or yelling at each other in the garages. Or anywhere else for that matter. Never know when a TV camera may be around the corner, 4) Rule changes coincide with the time they broke out that NASCAR approved P.O.S - I mean - COT. Making it harder to stomach the whole "NASCAR Experience" - for me. The Toyota looks just like the Chevy, which looks just like the Ford, which looks just like the Fiat/Mopar. NONE of which resembles anything I could possibly drive on the street.5) 3.6% more "Green-White-Checker" flags these past few years. Prompting the speculation, NASCAR is manipulating the outcome of their races.6) I have to "dumb-down" just to watch it. NASCAR's present day product is a mess

3-Ds, wins hands down!

November 9, 2009  03:37 PM ET
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The chase is better than it used to be, and if you recall, a champ under the old format could clinch by now, making the last three races or so worthless. I hated the crash of JJ and hope he can hold on to win the title in spite of the crash. No title should be lost because of some worthless hack behind the wheel like Hornish. I do agree that the chase will be more interesting now, though.

November 9, 2009  03:38 PM ET
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1 more. I'm gonna wait until the TD is done and wait too long like Wildfan did to help me with my last one. LOL

November 9, 2009  03:39 PM ET
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Originally posted 03:16 PM ET  11.09 by 3-D

6) I have to "dumb-down" just to watch it. NASCAR's present day product is a mess

When a NASCAR fan has to dumb-down, you know the Apocolypse is near.

November 9, 2009  03:40 PM ET
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Originally posted 03:37 PM ET  11.09 by NativeTexan

The chase is better than it used to be, and if you recall, a champ under the old format could clinch by now, making the last three races or so worthless. I hated the crash of JJ and hope he can hold on to win the title in spite of the crash. No title should be lost because of some worthless hack behind the wheel like Hornish. I do agree that the chase will be more interesting now, though.

True racing, Dirt track, local guys, fans that pull for a driver winning or losing.
Don't see the chase, points system there.
Bad luck is bad luck, goes with the root of racing.
That's Real racing, true and simple!

November 9, 2009  03:42 PM ET
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it wasn't a Toyota who took him out it was a Dodge

November 9, 2009  03:43 PM ET
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Originally posted 03:39 PM ET  11.09 by RlCKY

When a NASCAR fan has to dumb-down, you know the Apocolypse is near.

When a non auto sport poster has to lower himself to someone that is obviously much smarter and aware of the facts, reach up and pull the handle, do us all a favor.

November 9, 2009  07:32 PM ET
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Hersh , you must have missed David Ruietman tag the 77 into Jimmie.
I guess you could say it was a Dodge that hit Jimmie but was a Toy that caused it all by hitting the 77 from behide and having the 77 roll up and into Jimmie

November 9, 2009  07:36 PM ET
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I will agree with Native Texan that it is better to a point for the Chase.
I do love double file restarts.
I do beleive that if Jimmie had blown the Chase out of the water this year NASCAR would have had to do something this year to try and keep the Chase going.
Now it has made it somewhat interesting so NASCAR does not have to do anything .... for now

November 9, 2009  08:46 PM ET
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Originally posted 03:16 PM ET  11.09 by 3-D

1) I agree - The Chase is ****. It's not right to make the rest of the field feel worthless 10 races from the end of the season.2) Like 2/3 of the rest of the nation, I've already lost intrest. 3) They changed the rules to make NASCAR a "Happy-Place" to bring the family. No more scuffles on pit-road or yelling at each other in the garages. Or anywhere else for that matter. Never know when a TV camera may be around the corner, 4) Rule changes coincide with the time they broke out that NASCAR approved P.O.S - I mean - COT. Making it harder to stomach the whole "NASCAR Experience" - for me. The Toyota looks just like the Chevy, which looks just like the Ford, which looks just like the Fiat/Mopar. NONE of which resembles anything I could possibly drive on the street.5) 3.6% more "Green-White-Checker" flags these past few years. Prompting the speculation, NASCAR is manipulating the outcome of their races.6) I have to "dumb-down" just to watch it. NASCAR's present day product is a mess

I still don't get how people can't comprehend how the Chase improves competition. You're crazy if you really think the rest of the field already didn't feel worthless before the Chase. Here's a nice little fact for you....NO driver who was more than 400 points behind with 10 races to go has ever won a Nascar championship.

So when the Chase started, we suddenly have 12 cars that have a chance to win the championship. Under your glorious "old points" system, you had a grand total of 4 who still had a shot. So what exactly don't you understand?

November 10, 2009  12:18 AM ET
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kodiak, Nascar hasn't got the smarts to pull a Hit on anyone.
Jimmy's' laying in the back back fired and wrong place, wrong time took him out.

November 10, 2009  08:25 AM ET
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After Jimmie the stunt at Talladega Jimmie made NASCAR look bad.
So you do not think NASCAR had any choice but to try and knock down Jimmie before he got too big for the sport thou I think the Duck may have left the barn already and NASCAR is so late in trying to close the barn door.

November 10, 2009  08:41 AM ET
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I think Jimmy was in the wrong place and got Quacked!
I believe it was a un-planned accident.

November 10, 2009  08:57 AM ET
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Originally posted 08:41 AM ET  11.10 by Floatman-U Turkey!

I think Jimmy was in the wrong place and got Quacked!I believe it was a un-planned accident.

I agree and I think JJ will learn his lesson and stay away from clowns back in the pack still learning how to drive

November 10, 2009  09:09 AM ET
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Every Crash is good for Nascar... it expands their product and captures viewers

 
November 10, 2009  10:07 AM ET
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I like where your going with this Kodiak, but I have to agree with Cletusz on this one. I don't think Reutimann is smart enough to pull that off. As for the 1 car it was different infraction than the 5 and 48 cars.

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