- 11/30/2009, 10:10PM ET
Joel Xavier said 11/30, 10:10 PM
Teams in the MLB need money to compete. It is just that simple today, that with the value of OBP and other previously severely underrated stats.
Dark horse teams, tend to not have a lot of money because usually (cough cough..mets) teams with money win. Without money, you cannot retain your most valuable players without revealing a gaping hole in the rest of your structure.
The MLB schedule of 162 grueling games prevents teams from riding a hot streak through most of the season (ie Saints, Colts and 07 Patriots).
Look at what happened to Tampa. Edwin Jackson was a fairly expensive starter at 2.2 million. Of course he wasn't a high impact player until he went to Detroit, But an established team could have kept him as just-in-case-fifth-starter. Tampa also has a good chance of loosing centerpiece and allstar left fielder Carl Crawford next year. Darkhorse teams with no money constantly need to keep rotating their talent with cheaper, more unreliable players because the cream of the crop is siphoned off to the established teams with money.
YanksBillsSabres said 11/30, 10:40 PM
Well since you think that OBP is the most valuable statistic in the MLB, how come the players that are making the most money are the power hitters that swing for the fences not worrying about getting on base, but on how they can get an RBI?
You can say that many of the so called "dark horse" teams never hit hot streaks during the season with their lengthly schedule. Hardly ever does any team win even 10 straight. Every team has their up and downs during the season and it all depends on the management of the situation on how they are going to get out of it.
There are certainly many cinderella stories in the MLB over the years. Look at the Marlins beating the Yankees in the WS a few years ago or the D-Rays last year. So what, the paid teams are the majority of teams making the playoffs. But every year there is atleast one team that makes the playoffs that is at the bottom half of the salary list.
Prime example of a high paid team that didn't do well is obviously the Mets. They had 2nd highest payroll and it didn't do them any good. In fact the Yankees went 8 years without a WS champ and they had highest salary in MLB most if not all 8 of those years.
Joel Xavier said 12/01, 06:19 PM
When did I ever say or imply that OBP is the most important statistic? I am only saying that it is an important one that gives a better view of the productivity of hiiter than a statistic like RBI. A hitter, no matter how good, can not put a guy on base in front of him. OBP is one of the statistics that was undervalued by rich teams, and now that it is, there is even less chances to win for undersalaried darkhorse teams.
Another previously under valued statistic are defensive metrics like UZR, much more efficient than meaningless stats like fielding percentage and errors.
With more efficient stats being valued higher by richer teams, the talent pool is being further sucked up by the richest eight or so teams in the league. Without talent, your team will not survive a 162 game schedule. Period.
Look at the Marlins, or possibly the Braves as well as the tigers. They have to get rid of their proven talent and relie on cheap unproven players in bulk. Unless you you stumble upon 4 Hanley aand put players around him, you will not continue to contend without money, which darkhorse teams do not.
By the way, the D-rays never made it anywhere close to the world series.
YanksBillsSabres said 12/01, 09:48 PM
Okay thats completely obvious! All teams have decent talent though. Tell me one guy in the MLB that is a bad baseball player? They all have talent just the levels are different. Teams go through stages, when they have good young teams and then they have to unload them. Point is, teams have ups and downs, but they all have talent. Management can be to blame for this. It all depends on the talent being put together and thats not always true. In any sport you can't have good teams without bad teams. ALL RECORDS if you average them together have to equal .500 and unless your going to limit a team on how many wins they can get a year, there is no way all the teams will be equal. If teams used better management and they had a good GM that pursued prospects right they wouldn't be having problems. Teams that build up young teams and then trade the players away should have a good enough farm system to replace the trade-aways. There is not a single sport where every team has the same talent level.....
YanksBillsSabres said 12/02, 10:25 PM
Since I have the final word and he forfeited his turn, I am going to share some statistics to back up that not all "black horse" are bad. I will do this by taking the teams with the 15 highest salaries and and 15 lowest.
Order of Payroll and (order of finish for teams that made the playoffs)
4.Red Sox/ 2nd in AL
5.White Sox /4th in AL
6.Angels/3rd in AL
7.Cubs/ 3rd in NL
8.Dodgers/ 2nd in NL
13.Phillies/Won World Series
15.Brewers/4th in NL
29.Rays/ Lost in World Series
Notice the top 3 highest payrolled teams didn't even make the playoffs. The team with the second lowest made it all the way to the World Series and the 13th highest won it. Ya you really need money to be good in the playoffs. Only 5/8 highest paid teams made it to the playoff giving the teams that don't have high payroll to 3 spots. Obviously 2 of the 3 of those lowest payroll in the playoffs prevailed the most.
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