- 07/12/2010, 02:26PM ET
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 07/12, 02:26 PM
Let me make this clear. This isn't going to be the best backfield, just the hardest running one.
I'll gladly take the AP/Toby Gerhart combo
First, the newcomer....
And that other guy
Argos. said 07/12, 03:09 PM
AP is on the decline, therefore he wont be as hard hitting.
Over AP's career, his average yards per carry have dropped from 5.6 to 4.8 to 4.4. AP last year only had 3 games where he went over 100 yards, a major disappointment.
AP has had so many carries so early in his carry, and since he plays to the contact he has taken a beating, getting hit more than any other RB. If AP wants to last longer in the NFL, he will have to change his style. AP is gonna have to avoid the big hits and contact if he wants to survive longer in the NFL, and he knows that. Therefore, he wont run as hard, or else he will be LT at a younger age.
As for Gerhart, we haven't seen anything from him in the NFL. Sure, he is pounding some college kids, but less see him do that to players bigger and stronger than him in the NFL.
My pick came down to two backfields, the Baltimore Ravens and the team I am picking...The Miami Dolphins. The backfield is Ricky and Ronnie.
Some quick notes:
- Ronnie Brown gained 68.5% of his yards last season after first contact was made, 3% higher than AP.
- Both are proven power runners in the NFL
- Hilliard and Polite are also both BIG hard power runners
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 07/12, 05:15 PM
AP is on the decline, therefore he wont be as hard hitting.
I started to address this in the other TD, but here is more appropriate
He is definitely not on the decline. Honestly, I don't how someone can be on the decline after just 3 years.
Last year, teams were still stacking up to stop AP and making Favre beat them. Therefore, the Vikings became a more pass first offense
Therefore, Adrian had twice as many receptions last year as he did the year before. His yards from scrimmage? Just 66 less than the year before. His yards per touch? Went up from 4.9 to 5.1 last year. If anything, last year made him more dynamic. He can now start to be seen as a weapon through the air out of the backfield.
As for R&R, it's a good pick, but nothing like Peterson and Toby. Ricky Williams is old and a shell of his former self. Ronnie is an injury prone player. And neither are seen as a ferocious runner like AP or Toby.
AP and Toby have a great mix of speed and strength. They seek out contact and what to punish people for trying to tackle them. Not the case for R&R
Argos. said 07/12, 08:20 PM
You don't know how someone can decline after three years? How about 986 carries in his first 49 career games? How about taking more hits than any other RB in the last three season?
Peterson takes a beating, and he is slowing down somewhat. His yards per carry averages have dropped every year since joining the NFL (5.6 to 4.8 to 4.4). It even dropped last year, when Favre was added and forced teams to play the pass more!
Peterson is gonna realize, to have a long career as an NFL running back, he is gonna have to take it a bit easier. Save some gas in the tank, and occasionally duck out of bounds, rather taking that extra hit and gaining only one more hit.
And what about Toby? Has he proven anything in the NFL? He is as far from a lock as there is. He wasn't one of the top 4 RB taken in the draft, and he was picked 51st. If he was gonna be such a good RB, I think some team would have taken him earlier. The scouts obviously say something in him, that turned them off him.
Brown averages more % of his yards after contact than AP. I think Brown seeks more contact.
I got two proven RB that run hard, and like the contact.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 07/12, 11:24 PM
You don't know how someone can decline after three years?
Your blinded by the rushing yard stat right now. AP has never had a QB anything like Favre. So when he has a QB that can throw the ball, he's going to get less rushes.
But ya know what, he had 30 more catches and 300 more receiving yards last year. He had more yards last year than he had in his first 2 years combined. And he had his 2nd highest yards from scrimmage total.
And how are you determining he's on the decline? He started just 9 games his rookie year, then had 2 great years the last two years. He has a combined 3,704 yards from scrimmage and 28 TDs over the last two years. And he's declining? Are you kidding me right now?
Has he proven anything in the NFL?
You have a point. But you can't deny the fact he's a hard runner. He was a power guy in college and will be asked to do the same thing on 3rd downs this year. He isn't going to be asked to be an every down back.
Ronnie Brown is simply known for being a wildcat RB. He isn't known for much else and definitely not a hard runner. He isn't someone you think of when you hear about RBs trucking defenders.
Argos. said 07/13, 12:16 PM
"he's going to get less rushes."
Yet his Y/PA drop. He should be fresher, and have a higher Y/PA, yet he ranked 24th in Y/PA. Also, with a good QB teams stop stacking the box and putting 8 men in the box, opening up more room to run. Yet, his Y/PA continue to drop.
"He had more yards last year than he had in his first 2 years combined."
What? Did you pass Grade 3 Math? 1,819 yards is not more than 1,885 yards he got the previous season, and definitely not more than the combined 3,494 yards he has gained in his first two seasons.
"But you can't deny the fact he's a hard runner. He was a power guy in college"
Against guys smaller than him, and weaker. In the NFL, the LB are bigger and stronger than him.
"Ronnie Brown is simply known for being a wildcat RB"
Yet he had great success prior to the wildcat, and had his best ever season prior, making the Pro Bowl.
As for him not being a hard power runner, he has more yards after contact than AP.
Besides Ricky > Gehart
Then the Phins have Polite at FB. The Vikings lost their starting FB, and Polite is a big power runner.
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