- 07/15/2010, 12:15PM ET
BringThePain said 07/15, 12:15 PM
My pick is the LBs from the Dallas Cowboys. They are a group of veteran players that have been playing on a high level for years now. The group in spearheaded by Demarcus Ware and has the veteran leadership of Kieth Brooking. Throw in Anthony Spencer and Bradie James and you have a scary good LB group!
4?? Pro Bowl selection (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009)
3?? First-Team All-Pro selection (2007, 2008, 2009)
1?? Second-Team All-Pro selection (2006)
2007 All Iron Award Winner
2008 Galloping Gobbler Award Winner
2008 NFL Butkus Award winner
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
5?? Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
2?? Second-team All-Pro selection (2002, 2004)
Solid Role player with 582 career tackles, 15.5 sack, 7 FF and 23 passes defended.
Last year had 67 tackles, 6 sacks 4 FF and a pick.
Depth includes Stephen Hodge, Victor Butler and Sean Lee, who i think will be a great young player in the future. Reports out of camp so far say he is the hardest working kid on the field.
BRING THE PAIN
Beefstin said 07/15, 01:26 PM
Green Bay has a better linebacking core than Dallas.
I'll start by position comparisons.
Barnett vs Brooking.
KB will have the overall better career #'s cause of age. But here are some fun stats.
NB did have one less tackle last season, but had one more sack than KB.
There was only one time NB had under 100 tackles when he tore his ACL, KB was under 100 3 times.
NB has many more single tackles while KB has more assisted tackles
Clay Matthews vs Demarcus Ware
Both pass rushers and since CM is a rookie I will only compare this season. CM will only get better with time, who is proven vs the run and pass and has VERY similar stats to Ware this season. I expect CM to get even better and surpass Ware.
The stats give Ware adv by either 1 sack, a couple of tackles etc. So an established vet had trouble fending off a rookie. I'l take the younger and improving CM.
Don't forget about CM's 3 Fumble recoveries including the one his forced out, then took it for 6.
For now I'll say it's even but next year CM will have the advantage this was his first year in the 3-4 system as well, not to mention NFL system
GB has #1 rush D. MTC
BringThePain said 07/15, 02:47 PM
Im now glad that you took this TD instead of DJ, because in no way are the Packers a better LB group than the Boys! Nick Barnett is highly inconsistant. He had a good year last year but he will have to prove that he can do it every year to be better than Brooking.
Clay Matthews is an animal. He will be one of the premier players in the league but to say he is better than Ware is crazy. Ware is a three time All Pro and Matthews is a 1 year pro. That is a huge differance. Ware is a sack machine, who is going to be a Hall of famer one day.
Who else do the Packers have? A very underachieving A.J. Hawk and Brandon Chillar.
Ill take the Boys!
BRING THE PAIN
Beefstin said 07/15, 07:24 PM
Highly inconsistant?! you mean the guy who has put up similar stats every single year of his career INCLUDING the year after he tore his ACL?!
you're full of it. Brooking is on the decline and Barnett is still under 30 years old. Nick Barnett led the Packer LB'ers to the #1 rushing D
Ware did awful this year and if you want to compare All Pro #'s CM is 1 for 1 while Ware is 3 for 6 so 50% vs 100% CM wins
very underacheiving AJ Hawk? he has grabbed more INT's this year than Bradie James has grabbed his entire career. James is more like the inconsistant one, with sack totals varying every year (3, 3.5, 8, 2,) except the years he put up back to back 0's.
Hawk's natural position is at OLB but NB's injury made him move to the middle, and he works well as 2nd MLB.
Brad Jones and Kampman split at OLB but after Kampman got injured Jones has put up 4 sacks in 5 games he started, did I mention he was an undrafted rookie this year? while Spencer had a breakout year, but can he keep it up?
Jones will flourish as he has shown much promise in Kampman's absense.
Poppinga, Chillar and Bishop are starting caliber LB'ers as backups so how's that for depth. MMTC
BringThePain said 07/15, 11:50 PM
Here are the stats for your starting four LBs this season against Dallas starting four.
I would have to say advantage....................Cowboys!
Also, Clay Matthews being better because he put up All Pro #s once is absurd. Ware is 3 time All Pro and 2nd team All Pro once. You win the TD if this was the LB core with the most potential.
The Packers have a great defense but the LBs are not even the best unit on their own defense. Its easy to shut down the run when Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins and Al Harris are behind you so you can totally ignore pass defense!
Beefstin said 07/16, 02:00 PM
You must not be able to count.
sack 22.5/22 pack
TFL 28/21 pack
this is by "lb group" as per your TD.
So you blame GB's stellar D to blame for the linebackers being better than the Boys? The pass D had it holes (sad to say) or did you not watch the Arizona playoff game?
Lets look at who has the harder competition stopping the run. Listing only notable RB's
Gb: AP x 2/Taylor, S.Jackson, Benson, Gore, Barber/Jones, R.Rice, Mendenhall/Parker
Boys: Williams/Stewart, LDT, Grant, Charles
The only real notables are Carolina, Chiefs and Packers vs the boys everyone else has RB's under 1000 yards.
Everyone I listed for the pack have over 1000 yards.
8 people/tandems vs the boys 3 notables.
The Pack had the harder running schedule and they came out #1 rush D, and in a 3-4 D the LB'ers are the playmakers and they indeed made plays and deserved that D.
Face it, the Pack has a better LB'ing core, last year and coming into this year and don't forget...This was the packers FIRST year as 3-4 Watch what they do next year
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