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  • 08/05/2010, 10:21AM ET

MMA Tourney II . . 3. Pimp vs 14. Assassin . Top 5 current wrestlers in MMA(Greco Roman/Olympic)

7#bag _ Com (998-338-74) vs Assassin: Simile Next year (69-116-27)
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No Order

GSP
Koscheck
King Mo
Askren
Lesnar


Bring it assASSin


No order

Randy Couture
GSP
Dan Henderson
Jake Shields
Lesnar



The Pain from the Cane!


So we are looking at King Mo, Koscheck and Askren vs Hendo, Jake and Randy?

I am Stunned you didn't throw Lindlands carcass in there.

I'll shoot at Hendo first.

Hendo is more of a standup fighter. now more than ever. Hendo has never been one to dump someone on his head- preferring to stand and use that power right hand.

Lets look at his last 2 fights- The only shot he took at Bisping was denied, and spent the entire fight on his feet despite being "considered" a top level wrestler.

Next fight, he gets got dumped REPEATEDLY on his back by Jake, and could do next to nothing. I don't have Jake on my list- he would have been top 7 no doubt, but Hendo has shown next to NOTHING since Pride at wrestling ability.

Heck, I would take Rashad over him and could come up with 10 others right now.

Hendo, in his prime was a great wrestler, but I wonder just how much of his abilty is remaining though disuse in the cage

Jake answered that question. I think King Mo can dump him on his head much like did Mousasi over and over again, and I think, considering how much BIGGER Hendo was than Jake- he would have NO chance to sweep da King.


It's a pleasure to TD with you Mr. Pimp

Hendo is nothing what he was used to be everyone knows that but he was always known as a great wrestler. He wrestled for USA and in Olympics. He did have a great wrestling ability back in Pride. He still has good wrestling not great though. He has total confidence in his hands that he doesn't use wrestling. Maybe he should have you wrestling v Jake.



You bring up Jake Shields v Dan Henderson. It goes to show that Jake is a very very good wrestler. He put Hendo on his back so many times it was like watching instant replay. Jake is a beast of a wrestler. He has great technique and keeps you down when he takes you down. He is poor man's version of GSP.

I'll touch on Askren.

He has fought in Bellator but he is somewhat unproven. My pick: Randy, Jake, and Hendo are much much more proven then Askren. Randy is one of the best Greco wrestlers of all time. Dan has solid wresting and Jake is like GSP.

Good luck brotha.


Unproven?

Yet you have Hendo- who last took a guy down in 1834.

The topic given was RIGHT NOW - reason why I do NOT have Linland, Couture, Matt Hughes or Hendo.

I take Koscheck because NO ONE, not even Matt Hughes himself, took GSP down as quickly as Kos did.

To be fair, I hate Koscheck with a passion- PASSION- But I have to respect his ability. I have seen VERY few guys with his level of a double leg- and few have been able to get him off or keep him down.

Randy is no longer a guy at the top of the game- I have no doubt that Rashad would dump him easily, there are a half dozen heavies who can school him on the ground


RANDY HAD ISSUES TAKING DOWN BRANDON VERA FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Randy had problems with Nog, and lord knows Brock took him apart- the Randy of old would NOT have been held down so easily by a BEAR- much less a man with such limited cage experience.

You may have some all-timers on the list.

But I have the best CURRENTLY.


I'll give you Kos. He is a greasy head **** but the dude can wrestle your right. He did take down GSP like a mad man, but he is still a dick.

I would like to discuss my pick Randy Couture. He is one of the best still in IMO. He isn't the best "wrestler" but he is very good at Greco Roman wrestling. He gets you in the clinch and keeps you there. He gets you to the ground and ground and pounds the poo out of you.

Randy out wrestled Vera. It was one of the more boring fights to watch but he did exactly what wanted to do. Vera had no chance against him.

I still think Randy can hold his own against people at his own weight. It's kind of tough to out wrestle someone that has 30 lbs on you. Lesnar through him around like a rag doll. Lesnar has like 30 LBS on him. Lesnar threw around Frank Mir when they weighed close to the same.

You have to give me Jake Shields pick. He is a Top 5 wrestler. He is the only WW that has a chance to wrestle with GSP. Shields is a man.

Hendo still have some wrestling. Nothing what he used to be.

Couture can hold his own.

Good TD Pimp!

August 5, 2010  10:23 AM ET

Good luck guys!!!! Should be a fun MMA tourney!!

August 5, 2010  11:29 AM ET

The Pain from the Cane!

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August 5, 2010  01:06 PM ET

I already have thoughts about where this goes. Good on Assassin for 3 whole changes though.

August 5, 2010  02:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I already have thoughts about where this goes. Good on Assassin for 3 whole changes though.

Are you saying I'm gonna lose?

Dang...

August 5, 2010  02:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Are you saying I'm gonna lose?Dang...

I'm saying I see the wholes Pimp will exploit. Like he did in Arguement two about Hendo forgetting he was once a great wrestler.

August 5, 2010  02:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I'm saying I see the wholes Pimp will exploit. Like he did in Arguement two about Hendo forgetting he was once a great wrestler.

holes*

August 5, 2010  02:28 PM ET

And since ya'll have made your picks, I would have gone Fitch over Kos "fake eye poke" check!

August 5, 2010  02:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

And since ya'll have made your picks, I would have gone Fitch over Kos "fake eye poke" check!

Or the Sheilds choice could specifically replace Josh

August 5, 2010  02:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

And since ya'll have made your picks, I would have gone Fitch over Kos "fake eye poke" check!

Thats the Greco-Roman eyepoke.

August 5, 2010  02:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Thats the Greco-Roman eyepoke.

Very tough move to learn..

August 5, 2010  03:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Very tough move to learn..

not tough to learn, but very tough to Master!!!!

August 5, 2010  03:37 PM ET

Huge oversight by both of you guys here: neither of you have Joe Warren.

Maybe pound for pound the best wrestler to ever fight in MMA and you both exclude him?

August 5, 2010  04:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Huge oversight by both of you guys here: neither of you have Joe Warren.Maybe pound for pound the best wrestler to ever fight in MMA and you both exclude him?

Yup.

August 5, 2010  04:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

not tough to learn, but very tough to Master!!!!

Kind of like having a gut like your avatar.

August 5, 2010  04:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Kind of like having a gut like your avatar.

Hey thats the real Kung Fu Panda!!!!

August 5, 2010  05:06 PM ET

LOL
Low blow attacking the avatar! :)

Great choice by both. Will wait for the full args...

August 5, 2010  05:19 PM ET

I think Jake is a must on this list.
A natural WW and he owned Hendo for 20 minutes straight - and Hendo is a legend. (But for that same reason, I'm not sure Hendo is top 10 any longer).
Looking forward to the rest.

August 5, 2010  07:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Hey thats the real Kung Fu Panda!!!!

Haha

 
August 5, 2010  07:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

LOL Low blow attacking the avatar! :)Great choice by both. Will wait for the full args...

My avatar would destroy his avatar.

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