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  • 08/14/2010, 07:10PM ET

The Raiders will be better than the Bears this upcoming season.

DJRoxalot (1085-669-126) vs Assassin: Simile Next year (69-116-27)
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Chicago went 7-9 last year.

The Raiders went 5-11 last year.

The big difference is JaMarcus is no longer the starting QB for the Raiders.

Jay Cutler still is the starting QB for the Bears.

The Raiders acquired Jason Campbell from the Redskins after briefling flirting with the idea of trading Aso for Donovan McNabb. Now while Campbell might not be a great QB, he is an upgrade from Russell/Gradkowski/Frye of last.

There is no questioning that.

Campbell last year: 64.5%, 226ypg, 7.1ypa, 20 TD's, 15 INT's with a QB Rating of 86.4.

The Raiders lost at home to SD, 24-20. Russell 12 of 30 for 208 yards with 1 TD to 2 INT's. 47.6 QB Rating.

They lost at SD, 24-16. J-Russ=14 of 22 for 109 yards with 1 INT, QB Rating of 56.4.

They lost, 16-10 at home to Kansas City. Russ=8 of 24 for 64 yards with a QB Rating of 43.6.

With better QB play they could have won 8 games. And with Campbell the Raiders are looking at an 8-8 or 9-7 record this season in the weak AFC West where only San Diego is a lock as the best team.

The defense next.

Disagree???

Lets Throwdown!!!


OK DJ I think your'e wh0re got the best of you on this one.

The Bears went 7-9 last year with a QB that threw 26 picks and 27 TD's that is not the best TD/TO ratio. Another year in the Chicago system will help Cutler. He is grasping the new offense Mike Martz has put it. Cutler and Co. worked the ball down field well in the pre season game.

You bring up the close games that the Raiders could have won. I find that funny because that happened to the Bears too.

-Week 1. Bears lose 21-15 to the Packers. Cutler throws 4 picks. If he throws two Bears win the game.

-Week 6. Bears lose 21-14 to the Falcons. Another close game.

Weel 10. Bears lose to San Fran 10-6. Cutler throws a pick on the game winning drive. Another winnable game.

Week 11. Bears lose to Eagles 24-20. Another winnable one.

Week 14. Bears lose to Pack 21-14. Another winnable game.

With better QB play the Bears could have easily won 10 games or even 11. The Pack are the team to beat and the Bears played with them in two games. Vikes don't know who their QB is and the Lions are still a bit weak.

MMTC.


"Another year in the Chicago system will help Cutler."

It is a brand new offense. Martz was not the OC last year.

"Cutler and Co. worked the ball down field well in the pre season game."

And the Raiders beat bthe Cowboys, 17-9. The Raiders might be improved but they are not a better team than the Cowboys. The starters barely even played.

Romo threw 7 passes. Barber ran the ball 3 times.

Get it?

But since you brought iy up!!! The Chargers beat the Bears, 25-10!!!

And Cutler? Was 2 of 2 for 47 yards.

Caleb Hanie was 10 of 17 for 148 yards with 1 TD and in INT. If he sees extended playing time??? The Bears will be looking at a 2-14 season.

After the Chargers, the AFC West is wide open.....

The NFC North is one of the toughest in the NFL.

The Packers are probably the best in the Division right now.

Regardless if Favre is in Minnesota, the Vikes are the 2nd best team. Jackson may have learned a thing or 2 sitting on the bench much like VY did. Sitting and watching Collins play.

The Bears are the 3rd best and if the Lions show drastic improvement, they could push the Bears into the basement.


Let me make this very very clear. The Raiders are still the Raiders when a QB that didn't
do anything for the Redskins.
The Raiders did not get that much better. Their still not a team that can win more then 6-7 games. Jason Campbell is not the answer to anything. He won't win games for them he will manage them.

Saying that the Bears went 7-9 last without

-Julius Peppers
-Chester Taylor
-Brian Urlacher
-Pisa Tinoisamoa
-Brandon Manumaleuna
-Major Wright
-Also their O-line and D-line in array

That is two starting linebackers. They lost Urlacher and Pisa in the first two games. Urlacher is the anchor of the defense. He has lost a step but it is called Leadership that he brings to the Defense. something they didn't have last year.

Julius Peppers a star d-end. He is going to help out the defense a little but wouldn't you say? I think he is proven he has the skill to be 10-12 sack guy exactly what the Bears need.

Forte had nagging injures last year and he is fully healthy plus Chester has proven he is a solid backup.

The Bears were better then the Raiders last year, plus the Bears got better.


"Saying that the Bears went 7-9 last without
-Julius Peppers
-Chester Taylor
-Brian Urlacher
-Pisa Tinoisamoa
-Brandon Manumaleuna
-Major Wright
-Also their O-line and D-line in array"

Urlacher is coming off a major injury and there is no guarantee he will ever be the same player he once was. Leadership is nice but you have to be able to play physically.

The Bears were 13th against the pass last season and adding Peppers wasa LUXURY more than a need.

They were 23rd against the run and needed a major upgrade to defend the run more so than the pass. Not to mention Peppers performed in a contract year and quite often players get lazy.

Albert Haynesworth did not exactly light it up and WOW the Redskins last year after signing his HUGE contract.

Forte played in all 16 games last year but they fell in love with heir new QB and were chucking the ball waaay too much.

Chester Taylor has not been the same player he was in 2007 when he averaged 5.4ypc. He has averaged 4.0ypc and 3.6ypc the last 2 years.

Brandon Manumaleuna, 5 catches for 13 yards=2.6 avg.

WOW!!!

Their OL is still not a major strength and could be another problem this season.


Urlacher said himself that his wrist is feeling better. He will put some solid numbers along Lance Briggs. They will put up numbers.

Adding Peppers was a luxury? Whatever you say DJ. He takes the spot of an old Alex Brown. Peppers gets lazy like Albert Haynesworth? I believe Julius Peppers could pass a conditioning test on his first try.

The Bears have more talent on their roster than the Raiders. It is as simple as that. The Raiders didn't add enough to their roster. They have more holes to fill in their roster then alot of teams.

A unproven QB
Unproven RBs
A top ten draft pick piece of shiite wide out, and other youngs
A line?

They don't have the talent to do this. The Bears have proven QB, RB, and TE. The line is getting much better and younger. A starting Lance Louis at guard will do wonders. He is huge and athletic.

Brandon Manumaleuna was brought in to block. He is a good blocking TE. Why would they bring in a pass catching TE when they have Olson? BM is there to block.

Bears have more talent than the Raiders plain and simple. Cut dry.

August 14, 2010  07:11 PM ET

b-r-i-e-f-l-y

August 14, 2010  07:11 PM ET

last year.

August 14, 2010  07:12 PM ET

Direct challenge.

August 14, 2010  07:12 PM ET

I'll get this one and my Dyhard one in a little bit.

August 14, 2010  07:27 PM ET

Gift wrapped you a win, ****...If you cannot win this TD against me, you cannot beat me....

Raider haters will be here and insta vote against me.

August 14, 2010  11:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Gift wrapped you a win, ****...If you cannot win this TD against me, you cannot beat me....Raider haters will be here and insta vote against me.

I don't know if they will insta vote against you because they hate you/raiders.

The Raiders suck.

August 14, 2010  11:49 PM ET

BRING THE PAIN!!!

August 14, 2010  11:49 PM ET

Make it a good argument, ****....

August 14, 2010  11:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Make it a good argument, ****....

Your assing to much from him.

August 14, 2010  11:52 PM ET

*asking

August 14, 2010  11:52 PM ET

Nice DJ, i could not agree more. I love the Raiders this year. Great defense, solid running game and very good QB. BRING THE PAIN!!!

August 15, 2010  12:03 AM ET
QUOTE:

Direct or Indirect?

Redneck

August 15, 2010  12:06 AM ET
QUOTE:

Direct or Indirect?

Float or Floatie?

August 15, 2010  12:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Make it a good argument, ****....

I think I did. I still have a lot I want to say.

August 15, 2010  12:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Your assing to much from him.

That was funny.

August 15, 2010  12:23 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Your assing to much from him.

hahahahaha

August 15, 2010  12:34 AM ET
QUOTE:

Funny or Stupid?

Awesome or Roy?

August 15, 2010  12:40 AM ET

the bears still don't have a legit WR. no WR equals no winning record

August 15, 2010  01:15 AM ET

BRING THE PAIN!!!

 
August 15, 2010  02:37 AM ET

Looking forward to Assassin's next argument before I vote.

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