- 08/16/2010, 11:44AM ET
Buck4 said 08/16, 11:44 AM
Rank dead last in operating income, second last in revenue, and last in average attendance. Talks of changing ownership and a possible city change put Pheonix at the top of the list for an NHL franchise to be eliminated
26th in total revenue, 25th in average attendence, 29th in operating income. Attendence has never been strong and they haven???t reached the playoff since the lockout. Hard to draw fans when you're losing
27th in total revenue, been near the bottom in attendance over the last couple of years.
Ownership also seems to be an issue with debt concerns. Tring to sell the team is going to be hard with the debt issue and without many season ticket holders. There have been rumours of the Preds changing locations as well
Sitting 28th in revenue, the Thrashers have problems with ownership. Atlanta has 8 owners and they are in a dispute over how much the Thrashers are actually worth, causing them to spend money in the courtroom and not on the ice
Low attendance, even with the cheapest tickets in the league, make it hard to get any cash flow
fvkasm2x said 08/16, 12:21 PM
Glood list. I will keep: Atlanta, Nashville and Phoenix. My two additions:
As much as I think Florida needs to get rid of hockey all together, I would rather switch them for:
1. NY Islanders
We already have a billion teams in that area, with Buffalo, the Rangers, Jersey, etc.... and all three teams fare much better.
The Isles were 2nd last in team revenue last year. They also average only 12,700 for their games... which is a meager 700 more seats than the Coyotes. This team has done nothing right since the 80's and with brilliant moves like signing DiPietro for 89 years and billions of dollars, they won't be moving from the basement soon.
2. Columbus Blue Jackets
Keep Carolina. They have a recent Stanley Cup, several great players and 2 Conference Championships this decade. The highlight of Columbus' tenure in the league: They have Rick Nash. Also of note for the franchise: They have Rick Nash.
This team is 28th in league revenue. They only average 15,400 fans (the Preds and Panthers averagea around 15,000). The only time Columbus competes, is when their goalie stands on their head or Nash gets a hat trick.
Buck4 said 08/17, 07:26 AM
The Islanders are currently in talks with a $3.8 billion dollar upgrade to their current arena, which is the second oldest in the league. Having a new arena attract free agents, which will help them get back into a level of decency. It will be hard to eliminate a team with a new rink.
They also have a young stable of players that they have been building through the draft with Tavares, Niederreitter, and de Haan. Seems the Islanders are poised for a playoff run much like the Blackhawks a few years ago with their young crop.
Nash just signed an 8 year contract with the Jackets and his presence should bring in free agents and fans. Steve Mason is a great young goaltender and will grow into the frame of Columbus. Their attendance is also slightly better than Carolina's, selling 85% of their home tickets compared to 81.4% for Carolina.
Florida needs to be on this list. They have the second worst operating income of any team, at $-13.6M!
fvkasm2x said 08/17, 10:52 AM
1. A new arena doesn't get free agent players. How many interviews have you seen/read where the star player says "Man I really wanted to come play in ____ because they upgraded their jumbotron and put in seatwarmers in the stands."
2. The Islanders are so far from a playoff run it hurts to think about it. Who is going to play net? Their "star" goalie has played in 12 games in 2 years. He has hurt their cap so much, they can't even go out and get a replacement for him. They won't be going anywhere with 0 scoring, 0 defense and 0 goaltending.
3. Nash has been in the league for many years. I don't see anyone lining up to go there so far. Stars go to deep teams with multiple great players and a great head office. Teams like Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh, etc... all have way more chance of getting marquee players. Also, Steve Mason had a great rookie year. Last year he was in the bottom 5 of goalie stats in every statistical category. He was quite possibly the WORST goalie in the league last year.
4. Carolina has Ward, Staal, etc... and routinely challenge for the playoffs. They recently won the cup!
Buck4 said 08/17, 11:35 AM
How would a new arena not attract free agents? If you had a choice of going to a new facility with a new gym and workout centre, new dressing rooms with maybe a spa, why wouldn't that attract you. Obviously I know salary is a large factor to some and playoff opportunity is bigger factor to others but having a nice place where you???re going to spend the majority of the year would be ideal.
The Islanders aren't as bad as you make them out to be. You are right about DiPietro but he's young and he will be given the chance to prove himself when healthy. They're offense is young with Tavares, Schremp, Niederreiter and Okposo. They're defense is decent with Streit, Wisniewski and de Haan coming up.
There is a market for the Islanders to stick around. With the history they enjoyed in the 80's, if they start winning games, upgrade to a nice plush arena, people will want to come to games and spend their money.
As for Florida, there is no market. Hockey doesn't belong in Florida. With the Lightning there, there's no need for the Panthers. Horton is the biggest name on the roster, which makes it difficult to want to go and watch them play.
fvkasm2x said 08/17, 11:32 PM
Yes, Horton was a good player, but he is gone. They still have Booth, Weiss and Vokoun.
- 5 playoff showings in the last 16 years (5 first round exits)
- 5 Seasons with 60 pts or fewer (and 1 more with 61)
- ONE playoff showing in 9 years, a first round sweep to Detroit
- ONE season with more than 80 pts (their only playoff year)
- 5 playoff showings in 12 years of existence (same amount as the Islanders, in 4 fewer years)
- 1 Stanley Cup win
- 1 Loss in Conference Finals
- 1 Loss in Stanley Cup Finals
This team has more Stanley Cup Finals appearances than my two picks (Columbus/Islanders) combined (a total spanning 25 seasons)
- 2 Seasons with 60 pts or fewer
- Only 3 playoff showings in last 16 years, but one was a Stanley Cup Finals
As you can see, my teams are far more futile. Not only are they both in the bottom 5 of the league in attendance year in and year out, they are also fiscally terrible. They don't make any money and they don't perform on the ice.
Both your teams make it to the Stanley Cup Finals (and even win!) at least.
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