- 08/17/2010, 09:56AM ET
PieEyedPiper said 08/17, 09:56 AM
Yes, you read it here first. Daryle Lamonica played nearly the same timespan of professional football, in the same era as Joe Namath. During that era, Daryle "The Mad Bomber" Lamonica out-performed Joe Namath.
The first, most obvious stat to compare each QB is Superbowl wins. Sure, Namath has ONE and Lamonica has zero. But besides that, what separates Lamonica from Namath?
How about career Win/Loss Record? Well, now we have something. Lamonica posted a record of 66-16-6 over the course of 12 seasons. Namath? Well, if you want to talk pedestrian numbers, he's almost a better comparison with Archie Manning here. Namath posted a record of 62-63-4 over the same number of seasons.
During that time span, Lamonica led his team to seasons of 2 or fewer losses throughout the season 5 times as a starter. Namath did this feat exactly zero times. What a winner....
Each quarterback was selected to the Pro Bowl 5 times, however Lamonica was named All-Pro 2 times, to Namath's 1 time.
During Lamonica's 12 seasons, he led his team to the playoffs 8 times! Namath, despite his legend, only led his team to the playoffs twice, his ENTIRE career.
Do you feel I'm wrong? Bring it!
DJRoxalot said 08/17, 12:31 PM
Love my Raiders but come on, Pied.
Lamonica, 49.5%, 126.8ypg, 7.4ypa, 164 TD's to 138 INT's with a QB Rating of 72.9.
Namath, 50.1%, 197.6ypg, 7.4ypa, 173 TD's to 220 INT's with a QB Rating of 65.5.
Stabler was a much better QB for the Raiders. As was Plunkett.
But Namath? Who is more FAMOUS that Namath?
Guaranteeing a Super bowl and pulling it off?
And in the world's biggest TV market? Doesn't get any BOLDER - especially to unforgiving fans in NYC. He risked his a.s.s in NY making a bold statment like that and he pulled it off.
It becomes your career legacy.
(Like Babe Ruth pointing to what field he is going to hit his homer. The legendary boldness of one statement helps define you and your entire career and attitude and people want to relive those moments in the HOF rather than just read a bunch of regular season stats).
Some things are so legendary that it becomes more than stats. Namath was a football icon like OJ Simpson --- Doing TV roles and commercials.
Namath was a clutch QB.
PieEyedPiper said 08/17, 03:04 PM
First of all, let me start by saying that there is no way that I'm getting into a "Better or Not because of a Superbowl Win Debate." I believe it has been overdone, with all the mentioning of Eli Manning/Trent Dilfer and good defenses.
However, aside from that Superbowl, what did Namath really do? Out of 12 years, he was only able to lead his team to the Playoffs TWICE?!
How many truly "Great" Quarterbacks only led their teams to the playoffs only twice? Marino? He never won the big game, however was a perennial playoff contender. At least his team has chances. A truly good QB will keep his team in the hunt, year in and year out.
I'll tell you what though, throwing 220 Career INT's is a quick way to keep your team OUT of the Playoffs.
This argument is not about who is more famous, or who won the Big Game, it's about who is better.
Stats don't lie, despite Namath throwing the ball 1,161 times more than Lamonica, he only managed to get the ball in the end zone 9 more times. Yet, somehow during that same span of passes, he threw the ball to the other team an astounding 82 times!
Also, I do not believe .6% in Completion Percentage makes too much of a difference.
DJRoxalot said 08/18, 02:20 AM
"However, aside from that Superbowl, what did Namath really do? Out of 12 years, he was only able to lead his team to the Playoffs TWICE?!"
It takes a TEAM to make the playoffs. Not just 1 player. Namath cannot be blamed for them making the playoffs just 2 times. Lamonica played on a virtual dynasty in Oakland but could not win a Super Bowl.
Namath was on point when the Jets played in the Super Bowl:
17 of 28 for 206 yards.
He was a huge reason the Jets backed up his guarantee. He played mistake free football.
They both had their moments as NFL QB's but when they squared off head to head, the Jets beat the Raiders, 27-23 in the Conference championship in 1968.
Namath, 19 of 49 for 266 yards with 3 TD's and 1 INT.
Lamonica, 20 of 47 for 401 yards with 1 TD.
Eli better than Brady? Please, I never said that.
And Namath and Lamonica are closer in talent to each other than Brady and Eli.
"This argument is not about who is more famous, or who won the Big Game."
Part of being the better player means performing when it matters. On the biggest stage of a lifetime. The Super Bowl.
PieEyedPiper said 08/18, 03:30 PM
"It takes a TEAM to make the playoffs."
This is true, however this part of your argument contradicts other parts. For example, Lamonica and Namath were not the biggest reasons for their respective teams making the playoffs or not, why are they all of a sudden the primary focus for their Head to Head Matchup?
However, if you prefer talking Head to Head Matchups, why not bring in the rest of the times they faced each other? There were actually 8 times they faced off, with Lamonica's team winning 5 times! I should probably mention that one of these two quarterbacks had a positive TD/INT Ratio during their meetings, and it wasn't Namath!
You seem to try and make a point that Lamonica's success was do to his team, however Namath's success was all his own making. I believe this to be quite the opposite.
Do you mean to tell me, that despite Namath's greatness, his team was THAT horrible around him, to only get him to the playoffs TWICE in TWELVE years?!
Prior to Lamonica arriving in Oakland, the Raiders were 8-5. After his arrival? 13-1. I'd say LAMONICA was the difference maker, not his team. The Jets, on the other hand, went from 5-8 without Namath to...5-8 with him.
DJRoxalot said 08/19, 02:17 AM
"However, if you prefer talking Head to Head Matchups, why not bring in the rest of the times they faced each other?"
I brought up the biggest game they faced off against each other.
Namath won. To help the Jets advance to the Super Bowl, a place Lamonica never visited without a TICKET.
"Prior to Lamonica arriving in Oakland, the Raiders were 8-5. After his arrival? 13-1. I'd say LAMONICA was the difference maker, not his team. The Jets, on the other hand, went from 5-8 without Namath to...5-8 with him."
The year before Peyton Manning was drafted, the Colts went 3-13.
Peyton Manning's rookie year, the Colts went 3-13.
Because we all know Manning is a TERRIBLE QB, huh???
It is all about stepping into the RIGHT situation and Lamonica did. He stepped into a postion on a team that was already good with a GREAT head coach.
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