- 08/23/2010, 12:32PM ET
Argos. said 08/23, 12:34 PM
#1 Joe Sakic
Regular season: 20 seasons, 1378 games, 625 goals, 1641 points
Playoffs: 172 games, 84 goals, 188 points
Accolades: 2 Cups, 1 Conn Smythe, 1 Hart, 1 Lester B, Olympic MVP
**Also my all-time favourite player
#2 Jaromir Jagr
Regular season:[/b] 17 seasons, 1273 games, 646 goals, 1599 points
Playoffs: 169 games, 77 goals, 181 points
Accolades: 2 Cups, 1 Hart, 3 Lester B
The difference between Jagr & Sakic is the 2nd season, & Jagr had work ethic issues. No doubt Jagr was a bit more talented, but we must take in account work ethic, defensive ability, & leadership. MTC on that.
#3 Brett Hull
Regular season:[/b] 19 seasons, 1269 games, 741 goals, 1391 points
Playoffs: 202 games, 103 goals, 190 points
Accolades: 2 Cups, 1 Hart, 1 Lester B
#4 Luc Robitaille
Regular season:[/b] 19 seasons, 1431 games, 668 goals, 1394 points
Playoffs: 159 games, 58 goals, 127 points
Accolades: 1 Cup
#5 Mike Modano
Regular season:[/b] 20 seasons, 1459 games, 557 goals, 1359 points
Playoffs: 174 games, 58 goals, 145 points
Accolades: 1 Cup
Chosen1 said 08/24, 08:46 AM
#4 Mike Modano
#5 Luc Robitaille
1 Stanley Cup
Modano in the regular season for his team finished
1st in goals, assists and total points
Robitaille in the regular season for his team finished
3rd in goals, 9th in assists and 5th in total points
Now lets take a look at the playoffs
Modano in the playoffs for his team finished
6th in goals, 1st in assists and 1st in points
Robitaille in the playoffs for his team finished
9th in goals, 9th in assists and 9th in points
Modano at least 1 point in 16 playoff games that year 11 of which were wins
Robitaille at least 1 point in 6 playoff games that year 5 of which were wins
See just like most of his career Robaitaille benefited by having better players around him compared to owhat Modano had.
Modano for a large part of his career was the man in Dallas and on the other hand Robaitaille had guys like Gretzky, Jagr, Messier, and Federov all of which can easily be argued were better than him when they played together.
Robitaille was great well being able to have other teams focus more on a teammate of his and Modano was great while having all of the attention on himself
Argos. said 08/24, 07:50 PM
Luc's stats for the year he won finally won the Cup aren't good, because he won the Cup at the end of his career in Detroit. It was much like a Ray Bourque situation with the Avs. Kinda unfair to bring that up, no one holds it against Ray that he wasn't a top 2 D-man on Colorado.
Luc Robitaille is arguably the greatest LW to ever play the game. He even has the record for most goals all-time by a LW. He was the greatest LW during his era.
On the other hand, Modano was never really considered a top 5 centre at any one point in his career. He was always behind guys like Gretzky, Sakic, Yzerman, Federov, Sundin, Forsberg, Lindros, Messier, Lemieux, etc.
Modano only scored more than 40 goals once, Luc did that feat 8 times. Modano never had 100 points, Luc scored 100 or more points 4 times.
You practically call Luc a second fiddle his entire career, but of the guys you mentioned, he had only Gretzky for a long period of time. However, Luc lead his team in goals 9 amount of times in his career, and 7 times in points. Mike only 6 times in goals, & 11 times in points. Seems pretty even.
Luc also has a Calder trophy, and is an 8x All-Star, Mike only 5x All-Star.
Chosen1 said 08/25, 10:03 AM
It seems unfair that I mention the fact that in his prime Luc could not lead a team to winning the Cup?
What does not feel fair is you sneaking it in as if his one Cup is equal to the one Modano won. It is fair to talk about their play because it shows how much they contributed to actually getting to and winning the Cup..
Was Luc always second fiddle? No but even when he led his team in points someone was normally close to him
So lets see by how many points he led his team
86-87= 3 points
87-88= 4 points
92-93= 38 points
98-99= 38 points
99-00= 8 points
03-04= 3 points
Having good and great players around you makes it easier and Luc had great players at every stop
When Modano was leading in points it was often times by a good amount
91-92= 2 points
92-93= 14 points
93-94= 13 points
95-96= 38 points
96-97= 30 points
98-99= 23 points
99-00= 22 points
00-01= 5 points
01-02= 28 points
02-03= 30 points
05-06= 1 point
Modano was the face of the franchise and had to carry a franchise and Luc didnt
You want to punish Modano because of his position? Just list all time greats and Luc ranks under guys like Mario and Gretzky as well
Argos. said 08/25, 04:21 PM
Luc didn't get it done in his prime like Modano, because he never had the talent around him like Modano. Luc may have had more offensive skilled players around him, but Modano's Stars were complete. Modano's teams had depth and role players like Jere Lehtinen, the best defensive forward of his era.
Those Star teams also had one other thing that helped them win a Cup, a goalie. The Stars had Ed Belfour, who had a .930 SV% in the playoffs the year they won the Cup, while the Kings best teams were stuck with Kelly Hrudey, a goalie who had a career .893 SV% in the regular season and a .891 SV% in the postseason.
You can't blame Luc for a lack of goaltending.
Luc did not have great players at every stop. In his first two seasons, he scored 45 and 53 goals. Those seasons were prior to Gretzky, and when Bernie Nicholls was his centre.
When Modano lead his team in points, it was by an average of 18 points, Luc lead with an average of 15 more points.
However when Modano lead his team in goals, it was by an average of 10 goals, Luc lead by an average of 12 goals.
Oh yeah, I rather have THE BEST LW any day over the 5th or so best centre.
Chosen1 said 08/26, 03:04 PM
1) Modano was a 7x All Star= 93, 98, 99, 00, 03, 04, 09
and just a fun fact he was also the special ambassador for the 07 all star game
so that right there gets rid of your 8x all star to a 5x all star argument. Especially seeing as how Modano was named to a NHL post season All Star Team and Luc was not
2) Luc was not as consistently good as Modano
Modano in his first 15 seasons most seasons of back to back under 1.0 ppg was 2 and they were his first 2 seasons
Luc in his first 15 seasons had 5 seasons of back to back under 1.0 ppg and they were his 9th through 13th seasons
Luc first 8 seasons- 803 points in 640 games (first stint with LA)
Luc last 11 seasons- 591 points in 791 games
Luc's early part of his career was helped out a great deal by playing with great players and once he left LA the first time his play dropped off
3) Luc is not the greatest LW (Bobby Hull is I think), King, Red Wing, Penguin or Ranger of all time.
Modano is the greatest Star and has scored more points than any other American born player which are two things to be proud of.
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