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  • 08/24/2010, 10:52AM ET

Brett Favre is one of the 10 greatest quarterbacks to ever live.

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Brett Favre is in the top 5 of greatest quarterbacks to ever live.

69,329 yards. 497 touchdowns and 317 INTs.

About 8,000 yards in front of second place Marino, and about 19,000 yards in front of the active quarterback with the most yards, Peyton Manning.

77 more touchdowns then second place Marino, 133 more than next active QB Manning.

309 Straight starts including the playoffs
8 division championships
5 NFC title game appearances
2 Super Bowl appearances
1 Super Bowl victory

Once had a 29 game home winning streak that spanned over 3 seasons from 1995-1998. Holds the record for most wins by a quarterback.

He is the only player in NFL HISTORY to win 3 straight MVP awards.

The numbers don't lie no other quarterback in history has produced offensively the way he has produced offensively and it's not even close. Favre will finish his career with over 70,000 yards and 500 touchdowns. Those kind of numbers are hard to even fathom.

And I don't want to hear anything about Favre's indecision on his retirement. That has nothing to do with his on field performance which clearly cannot be matched.

Favre not only is a hall of famer, he deserves his own wing.


I will start by saying, I am NOT a Favre hater. He's exciting to watch, he's tough, plays hurt, leaves it all on the field, has had a legendary HOF type career and among the greats of the game.

The word of the day is:

Accumulator - (noun)
1. One who, or that which, accumulates.

This is an important word when we break down Brett Farve's career statistics. I am not saying that this is completely negative but it does come into play when comparing his career to his contemporaries. Favre is the career leader in all cumulative passing categories both bad and good. One of these cumulative statistics is Pass Attempts. Before this season starts, he already has 1500 more attempts than the player second on the list. (Marino) He has had 1500 more chances (and counting) to accumulate than his nearest competitor.

When we look at stats based on career averages; TD%, INT%, Passer Rating, Completion %, etc. He holds no records.

There are several QBs I rate ahead of Favre in terms of All Time greats, Otto Graham, Johnny U, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Steve Young and eventually Tom Brady just to start.

All Time Great - Yes

Iron Man - Yes

Top 5 Greatest QB All Time - NO


There is no such thing as being an "accumlator" in a sport like professional football. You can be an accumlator in golf and play until you're 80 years old. The NFL is too physically and mentally demanding {especially the QB position} for you to simply say that he's hanging around just to hang around.

I can understand that argument if he was playing poorly...but he STILL is an elite quarterback in the league and was an MVP candidate last year at age 40. He is the only quarterback to own a victory over all 32 teams. He is one of just four quarterbacks to lead the league in touchdown passes four times.

He has NEVER had an elite running back or wide receiver to play with. His best running back was Ahman Green and his best wide receiver was Donald Driver. Neither one of those guys are going to the hall of fame like Montana had Rice and Brady has had Moss.

And how about one of the greatest moments of the last 20 years. The Monday night football game...the night after his father died. 400 yards and 4 touchdowns. Not many would have even showed up...let alone played the way he did.

Legend isn't even the word to cover Brett. His career is almost bigger then the game.


Brett Farve's ability to have played as long as he has, as many games as he has and to play hurt is truly amazing. This fact is certainly a feather in his cap and he will be immortalized much like Gehrig and Ripken.

I never said he was, "hanging around just to hang around." but it's a fact that Favre's record are those that come from longevity.

Farve fans hold on to single moments in time when he pulled off a miracle play using his unique skills. They refuse to remember the host of occasions when his exuberance cost his team dearly ala the NFC Championship game last year.

His career passer rating is low (86.6) as compared to Manning (95.2) Young (96.8) Brady (93.3) etc. His rating is more akin to 1960/70 levels when WRs were molested and the rules were in the defense favor.

For all Farve's TD passes, Graham, Manning, Brady, Unitas, Young all threw more TD passes per pass attempt and less INTs. His playoff win % is lower than all the above.

Farve is an exciting player both for heroics and catastrophe.

Here is the question, who do you trust with 2 mins in the 4th quarter of a championship game? There are more than 5 QBs that pass this litmus test ahead of Farve.


"His playoff win % is lower than all the above."

A rare mistake coach. Peyton Manning is 9-9 in the playoffs. Favre is 13-11. Simple math says Favre has better percentage. Remember those games for Peyton where it looked like Ty Law played on the Colts?

"Ala the NFC Championship game last year." I'll see your Favre INT in the NFC title game and I'll raise you a Peyton Manning throwing the game clinching INT in the super bowl last year.

Manning and Favre have the same amount of rings and Favre has superior stats and a better playoff record. So Favre > Manning. Dismissing Manning, that leaves Brady, Graham, and Unitas.

Unitas has a lower career QB rating {86.4 to 78.2} and has only thrown 37 more INT then TD himself. Considering he has 30,000 less yards and 400 less touchdowns, advantage Favre.

Otto Graham has more INTs then TDs {88-94} a 78.2 rating and a miniscule 13,000 passing yards. Favre has 600 more TDs and 57,000 more passing yards. Favre > Graham.

Even if Favre is 3rd behind Young and Brady...he is still 3rd. I believe i have proved Favre should be in the top


Your historic knowledge of the game is lacking. You can't compare eras using stats only. There's no comparison between the game Unitas and Graham played and the pass happy league Favre has enjoyed. Pass interference was rare and QBs weren't treated like prom queens wearing chastity belts. In their NFL, Favre doesn't play 289 games.

Stop it with the accumulation stats. Here is how Favre stacks up against QBs of his era

QB Rating INT% TD% Comp%
Manning 95.2 2.8 5.6 64.8
Brady 93.3 2.3 5.3 63.3
Young 96.8 2.6 5.6 64.3
Montana 92.3 2.6 5.1 63.2
Favre 86.6 3.2 5.1 62.0

On average, the other QBs complete more passes, throw more TDs, less INTs and take better care of the ball and don't cost their team points for or against.

If you extrapolate using a similar number of games, they break all Favre's records. In fact, it is likely Manning will.

Favre is as likely to lose a game for his team as win one.

That is both his legend and his stigma.

August 24, 2010  11:01 AM ET

You said Top 10 in the title, then Top 5 in the argument.

Which one is it?

August 24, 2010  11:14 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

You said Top 10 in the title, then Top 5 in the argument.Which one is it?

Maybe he meant one of the top 5 in the top 10?

August 24, 2010  11:21 AM ET

Before I accept you need to clarify which we are arguing, Top 5 or Top 10.

August 24, 2010  11:21 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

You said Top 10 in the title, then Top 5 in the argument.Which one is it?

Yeah, that is a big difference.

August 24, 2010  11:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Maybe he meant one of the top 5 in the top 10?

I hope that's not what he meant.

He may lose based off that mistake alone.

Not to mention he is going against the Coach, so it won't matter regardless haha

August 24, 2010  11:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I hope that's not what he meant.He may lose based off that mistake alone.Not to mention he is going against the Coach, so it won't matter regardless haha

id take favre in the top 10 and argue against the coach

August 24, 2010  11:28 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

id take favre in the top 10 and argue against the coach

Top 10, yes.

Top 5, I dunno....

August 24, 2010  11:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Top 10, yes. Top 5, I dunno....

top 5 probably not.. there are too many other good options and too much dislike for favre to argue him top 5 on here against someone like the coach

August 24, 2010  11:36 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

top 5 probably not.. there are too many other good options and too much dislike for favre to argue him top 5 on here against someone like the coach

Precisely.

August 24, 2010  11:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

top 5 probably not.. there are too many other good options and too much dislike for favre to argue him top 5 on here against someone like the coach

i had misunderstood what you said the first time i read it.. for some reason i was taking at as you were saying it wouldnt matter if he argued top 5 or 10 vs the Coach

if anyone wants to challenge me to the top 5 all time though Id be interested and Id change at least 2 picks of yours

August 24, 2010  11:45 AM ET

I do apologize for the misunderstanding, it is top 5. I changed my argument, forgot to change the actual TD.

August 24, 2010  11:48 AM ET

I understand many people don't like Favre. I don't really know why, but i understand people don't. If you look at this guy's career, numbers...guys like Montana, Young, Manning, and just about anyone else you can mention pale in comparison.

August 24, 2010  12:00 PM ET

Can see Favre's bajillion picks playing a pretty big role in this argument...

August 24, 2010  12:04 PM ET

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August 24, 2010  12:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Can see Favre's bajillion picks playing a pretty big role in this argument...

i would be shocked if they dont come up... Im hoping though that they dont become too big of a focus because sometimes I feel make a bigger deal out of them than need be made

August 24, 2010  12:09 PM ET

I can't wait to see this one.

August 24, 2010  12:10 PM ET
QUOTE:

I would take Coach 10-1 to beat Brett Favre in a Throwdown about Brett Favre.

Favre would just say things, and then take them back.

August 24, 2010  12:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Top 10, yes. Top 5, I dunno....

Bingo!

August 24, 2010  12:13 PM ET
QUOTE:

I would take Coach 10-1 to beat Brett Favre in a Throwdown about Brett Favre.

maybe you should stick to the Blue Waffles

 
August 24, 2010  12:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

I can't wait to see this one.

I'm more then ready.

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