- 09/01/2010, 03:01PM ET
] [ said 09/01, 03:26 PM
In Golf, do you want at least 1 Major with no other wins or do you want a career with several regular tournament wins but no majors?
Sure you'll make more money winning tournaments, keep your name in the mix of conversations, & you'll get more companies wanting you to endorse their products making you even more wealthier. But will you be satisfied knowing you never won the Big One?
As a player, you dream to be the Best at your craft. You got the Masters, The Open, the US Open and the PGA Championship as Majors.
Do you want 1 Green Jacket or several wins at the Northern Trust Open?
Do you care about having your name on the Claret Jug or having trophies from The Honda Classic, Bob Hope Classic or even the Shell Houston Open?
Give me a vanilla career with just One Cherry on the Top of my career, one Green Jacket, or my name on the Claret Jug, or let me take home the Wanamaker Cup, or even having one US Open title. How do you want to be remembered by? I say win the Gold, why settle for several Trinkets?
Mr. Jolly said 09/01, 03:52 PM
I've got 1 name for you.
* Chi Chi Rodriguez
While he never claimed a major championship (6th in the US Open was his highest), he still managed to put together a memorable career and is honored in the World Golf Hall of Fame.
And that's because Chi Chi knew its not what you do,
But how you do it.
* In a stuffy atmosphere, Chi Chi found a way to stand out and show the patrons that 1 could enjoy and compete in the gentleman's game without getting lost in the bureaucracy.
He developed little acts of showmanship, like the Toreador Dance and placing a hat over the hole of a birdie/eagle.
The man enjoyed playing the game and it showed, which brought him fans, endorsements, and respect in the golf world.
It was through this way that Chi Chi is remembered while dozens of 1-trick major ponies don't.
* While Tin Cup is just a movie, there is a pretty valuable lesson in what Roy McAvoy accomplishes.
The sexy Russo character says something to the effect of:
"Nobody will remember who won the US Open years from now, but they'll remember your shot!"
Better to be remembered then forgotten.
An accomplishment is only as great as people can recall it.
] [ said 09/01, 06:13 PM
Is it better to remembered as an entertainer on the course like Chi Chi Rodrguez (8 wins on the PGA Tour) or to win one single Major and be remembered forever more like Francis Ouimet?
As a player, winning on the Grandest stage of your choice of sport cements you in your place in history.
I disagree with you in your reference to Tin Cup. I see the Character Roy McAvoy more in the lines of Ouimet, he wants history, he wants the grandeur. Rodriguez relates more to the Don Johnson character, more of the established player on tour, a little more flashier but not in the "flash" that counts.
Chi Chi did his thing, but was it memorable for the right reasons? Chi Chi clowned around and yes it brought him attention. But Ouimet's effect gives you not laughs, but the pure joy of knowing that an average player out of nowhere can be the Best Player on one Golf's Grandest Stages.
Golf is rich in history and tradition. If you ask any player on tour which tournament would they like to win most, they are not going to say the Valero Texas Open or the Reno-Tahoe Open.
Greatness is fleeting, so grab onto it.
Mr. Jolly said 09/02, 11:55 AM
* 1st, lets clear some things up on why Ouimet (1913 U.S. Open Champ) is a horrible example in this debate.
Americans didn't start regularly playing the British Open until the 20s, mainly because of travel and WW1.
The Masters don't exist until 1934.
The PGA Championship doesn't become stroke play until 1958.
Ouimet is remembered as a pioneer and 1 of America's first great players.
He wasn't seen as a 1-trick pony in a time where the "majors" didn't exist as they do today.
* 2nd, there is no way Chi Chi is the "Don Johnson" character in Tin Cup, because that guy won the U.S. Open in the movie.
Also, Chi Chi LIKES dogs and old people.
* Let's look at it another way.
Let's say you and I are on our death bed.
You tell me about the one time you've been with a woman. You tell me how she was an absolute "10". A complete knockout.
But it was the ONLY time you've ever been with a woman.
I respond about how I've never been good enough to score a "10", but I've been with 12 women that are 5-7s.
Now, which person had a more fulfilled life in the bedroom?
Greatness may be fleeting, but it doesn't exist if people can't remember it, like Ouimet.
] [ said 09/02, 02:13 PM
I won't do any foreplay & lie to you about knowing what your saying since I never stayed with my 1st time. As time goes by, I sometimes sit by the balcony & smoke a cigar with a glass of Cognac, I reflect on the conquests that I have had, I quickly go through my memories of Mary Ann (wholesome), Jan (quirky), Sabrina (intelligent), Janet (caring), and even Joanne (cute). But there is always this one, the memory that I always fall back on, the 10 that I will never forget. That memory seems to play out in slow motion, almost surreal, you know - Imax vs a regular theater? You can even almost smell the sweetness from her hair, how soft & smooth her skin was.... but I will not kiss and tell all.
Sure I've had my share, but as I take another sip of my fine drink, I think to myself and realize that having a 10 was quite an accomplishment. In many ways, I'd trade my experiences with the "plain Janes" for another wonderful time with my perfect 10.
Watch the movie again, "Tin Cup." Johnson's character was the "flash", all smiles, sharply dressed & entertaining to the important people, just like Chi Chi did with his song & dance, well no song just the dance.
Good TD Jolly.
Mr. Jolly said 09/02, 03:59 PM
I must say that I enjoy the Cognac and a good cigar.
I'm a bit more of a scotch man myself, with a preference for Dewar's or if I find a couple hundreds on the ground, I may bless myself with the Johnny Walker Blue.....
But I should stop myself from falling for that trap of daydreaming.
While you're replaying that one outstanding night with a "10" (which by the way, if it isn't the ONLY one you've been with, you're no longer an example of what you're arguing for) I'll be still out experiencing other 5-7s.
I'm more of a hands-on guy and not so much a daydream believer.
As for Tin Cup, I've seen it a great many times and own it.
I'm just gonna assume that those of you out there in FN who have seen it too can figure out how ridiculous it is to compare Johnson's "David Simms" to Chi Chi Rodriguez.
I'll close with this:
Golfer A won a major but never made it to Sunday in another major ever again. People call him a fluke or make excuses why he won.
Golfer B never wins a major but plays almost every Sunday in majors for 20 years. People say he's a good/great golfer, but just didn't win the big one.
Now think for a minute:
Which story do you want to have?
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