Throwdowns > Closed

Mr. Jolly said 09/01, 03:52 PM
I've got 1 name for you.

* Chi Chi Rodriguez

While he never claimed a major championship (6th in the US Open was his highest), he still managed to put together a memorable career and is honored in the World Golf Hall of Fame.

And that's because Chi Chi knew its not what you do,

But how you do it.

* In a stuffy atmosphere, Chi Chi found a way to stand out and show the patrons that 1 could enjoy and compete in the gentleman's game without getting lost in the bureaucracy.

He developed little acts of showmanship, like the Toreador Dance and placing a hat over the hole of a birdie/eagle.

The man enjoyed playing the game and it showed, which brought him fans, endorsements, and respect in the golf world.

It was through this way that Chi Chi is remembered while dozens of 1-trick major ponies don't.

* While Tin Cup is just a movie, there is a pretty valuable lesson in what Roy McAvoy accomplishes.

The sexy Russo character says something to the effect of:

"Nobody will remember who won the US Open years from now, but they'll remember your shot!"

Better to be remembered then forgotten.

An accomplishment is only as great as people can recall it.

Mr. Jolly said 09/02, 11:55 AM
* 1st, lets clear some things up on why Ouimet (1913 U.S. Open Champ) is a horrible example in this debate.

Americans didn't start regularly playing the British Open until the 20s, mainly because of travel and WW1.

The Masters don't exist until 1934.

The PGA Championship doesn't become stroke play until 1958.

Ouimet is remembered as a pioneer and 1 of America's first great players.

He wasn't seen as a 1-trick pony in a time where the "majors" didn't exist as they do today.

* 2nd, there is no way Chi Chi is the "Don Johnson" character in Tin Cup, because that guy won the U.S. Open in the movie.

Also, Chi Chi LIKES dogs and old people.

* Let's look at it another way.

Let's say you and I are on our death bed.

You tell me about the one time you've been with a woman. You tell me how she was an absolute "10". A complete knockout.

But it was the ONLY time you've ever been with a woman.

I respond about how I've never been good enough to score a "10", but I've been with 12 women that are 5-7s.

Now, which person had a more fulfilled life in the bedroom?

Greatness may be fleeting, but it doesn't exist if people can't remember it, like Ouimet.

Mr. Jolly said 09/02, 03:59 PM
I must say that I enjoy the Cognac and a good cigar.

I'm a bit more of a scotch man myself, with a preference for Dewar's or if I find a couple hundreds on the ground, I may bless myself with the Johnny Walker Blue.....

But I should stop myself from falling for that trap of daydreaming.

While you're replaying that one outstanding night with a "10" (which by the way, if it isn't the ONLY one you've been with, you're no longer an example of what you're arguing for) I'll be still out experiencing other 5-7s.

I'm more of a hands-on guy and not so much a daydream believer.

As for Tin Cup, I've seen it a great many times and own it.

I'm just gonna assume that those of you out there in FN who have seen it too can figure out how ridiculous it is to compare Johnson's "David Simms" to Chi Chi Rodriguez.

I'll close with this:

Golfer A won a major but never made it to Sunday in another major ever again. People call him a fluke or make excuses why he won.

Golfer B never wins a major but plays almost every Sunday in majors for 20 years. People say he's a good/great golfer, but just didn't win the big one.

Now think for a minute:

Which story do you want to have?