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  • 09/01/2010, 09:09PM ET

"Gone-but not forgotten(A classics NHL TD)

I.M.O. (7-8-1) vs kingeraaa (5-4-1)
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Make an NHL lineup from these now defunct NHL teams.You have 9 teams to choose from and may take no more than 1 player from any team.
All players must be in their natural position.(Their stats only count for that team-eg-Gordie Howe's Hartford stats only count there,not for his career)

The teams are-
Minnesota North Stars
California Golden Seals
Atlanta Flames
Kansas City Scouts
Cleveland Barons
Colorado Rockies
Hartford Whalers
Quebec Nordiques
Winnepeg Jets


My lineup

RW- Wilf Paiement -Colorado Rockies
LW- Brian Bellows- Minnesota North Stars
C-Dale Hawerchuk-Winnepeg Jets
D-Mark Howe-Hartford Whalers
D-Pat Quinn-Atlanta Flames
G-Ron Hextall-Quebec Nordiques

Good luck King,and here's to hockey TD'S


Interesting TD 4thstreet, and thanks for the challenge, as that it is!

My team is going to be:

C Peter Stasny QUE
RW Kevin Dineen HRT
LW Brian Bellows MIN
D Phil Housley WIN
D Carol Vadnais CGS
G Dan Bouchard ATL

SOB I am on a time limit this evening, and thank the losrd for a change or 2!!!

I did some research, and like this little team, but must run for now!!! Work is calling!

MTC!!!!!!


Good team king
Our forwards pretty well cancel each other out as their stats are almost identical.
IMO it comes down to the d-men and goalie.
You have Housley who was 5'10 185 lbs and Vadnais 6'1 185,not big bruisers by any means.

I counter with Howe 5'11 185 lbs and Quinn 6'3 205.

Now Howe is just as heavy as these guys but in no way was he a physical force.
Quinn is the difference maker.He was a big bruising hitter and not afraid to mix it up.
Howe was the so called "angel" amongst these 4.He was cool as a cucumber and did not take penalties,averaging no more than 30 minutes a season.

So while your 2 d-men are drawing penalties,my guys would be scoring.

Speaking of scoring,your forwards would have 1 hell of a time trying to camp in front of the net with Quinn there to knock them on their arse.

Which brings me to Hextall.There is no way he would let anyone park in front of him without paying for it.My forwards,espescially Paiement would be able to able to set up a hammock as your d-men didn't exactly instill fear into their opponents.


I agree the#'s are close for our forwards, and they pretty much cancel each other out, but Stasny's PPG% was awesome! (1.55 compared to 1.30)

Quinn the difference maker? He wasn't huge either, but bigger than the others, but not nearly as skilled. He could check, but wasn't known for his great skating, or play at the point.

He was left unprotected in 2 different drafts, why?
Quinn being more known as a player for his hit on Orr!

Carol Vadnais was a good D man, and came with Cup experience to the CGS, and was made Captain right away, and he gave the team just that, solid D, and leadership, until he was plucked away promptly by the Bruins.

Housley gave me a good D man with offensive upside(big time), and while Quinn is chasing people around in front of the net( as you predict), Housley would score from the point, or wherever he felt like it, or he could pass to who could score if he couldn't.

Do you really think that tempers would stay down on your team? I added Dineen to give some grit, which will counter well, against your scenario. Your main man on D(the pylon) and Wilf take a lot of penalties, fact.

I'll get to my goalie next argument!

Cool TD!

MTC!!!


Comparing Stastny and Hawerchuk is like apples to oranges.Hawerchuk was Mr.jet.Most years he had no help and was the offence.

You talk about Vadnais.and Cup experince,well to get on subject,this is about their years with the teams in time frame of td.Howe was a 1st team allstar,but a year after leaving Hartford with Philly.In retrospect I should have said,you could only used a players stats from 1 year(next td,maybe?)

My team is in no way a "goon" squad,it is simply a "tough"scoring team.Paiement was a good skater,physical,and could score.The same goes for Bellows and Hawerchuk.

For your team,Dineen could do it all,as well as your same choice of Bellows.

Stastny was very skilled,but would get banged around but my more physical team.Why should my team worry about tempers?Quinn is the only so called hot head.

My team is built for scoring-no lack thereof,toughness(you said yourself,mentioning tempers which is totally different) and defence.

I simply don't think that your 2 "small" d-men would be able to contain my forwards.

Good TD


You mention Quinns toughness and say that "He's a Bruising hitter, and not afraid to mix it up", also " He's the difference maker" on your team. Quinn liked to throw his weight around, and he landed in the box, as he was the Atlanta's career pim leader 555/5 yrs. I don't get that if he was on Atlanta, he was less of a pylon?

Verdais didn't do much for the Canadiens actual Cup win, but it was the "experience" of playing on a Habs team from that time, and the fact that he was a good D man, that landed him the C, so I wasn't using that questionable cup win!(Boston would have been a better choice). He was only left in the draft, as les Habs, were STACKED!

You said that they have to be in their natural position, now is that for the team or in general? Mark Howe was a GREAT left wing 1st!

Goalies! Bouchard was "THE" difference maker for Atlanta on most nights. He ended his time with 164W,134L,72T and 20 SO.

Hextall with 1 season for QUE, and it wasn't that good considering who was on that team. I know why you picked him, but a 3.44 gaa and .888 sv% isn't good for that team. He could clear a crease, but these #'s don't show him doing that much in QUE! Dan>Ron

Good TD

September 1, 2010  09:21 PM ET

Great idea for a TD. Can't wait for the arguments.

September 1, 2010  10:16 PM ET

Hey what about the Montreal maroons and the New York Americans and the Pittsburgh Pirates Philadelphia Quakers St.Louis Eagles Quebec Bulldogs Montreal Wanderers and the Hamilton Tigers

September 1, 2010  10:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Hey what about the Montreal Maroons and the New York Americans and the Pittsburgh Pirates Philadelphia Quakers St.Louis Eagles Quebec Bulldogs Montreal Wanderers and the Hamilton Tigers

G Worters NY Americans
D Lionel Conacher Pittsburgh
D Sprague Cleghorn Montreal Wanderers
F Nels Stewart Montreal Maroons
F Joe Malone Hamilton Tigers
F Syd Howe St.Louis Eagles

September 1, 2010  10:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Hey what about the Montreal maroons and the New York Americans and the Pittsburgh Pirates Philadelphia Quakers St.Louis Eagles Quebec Bulldogs Montreal Wanderers and the Hamilton Tigers

Went from the 70's on(baby boomers),so that we actually got to see some of these guys play.

September 1, 2010  11:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

G Worters NY AmericansD Lionel Conacher PittsburghD Sprague Cleghorn Montreal WanderersF Nels Stewart Montreal MaroonsF Joe Malone Hamilton TigersF Syd Howe St.Louis Eagles

As per rules,they are not all in a natural position
Stewart-center
Malone-center/lw
Howe-lw
you have no right winger.(I had to go through ancient scrolls to find this info,as nobody I know is that old)lol

September 2, 2010  12:47 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Went from the 70's on(baby boomers),so that we actually got to see some of these guys play.

Another great topic.

Wilf Paiement! The Leafs had their #99 too.

September 2, 2010  03:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

As per rules,they are not all in a natural positionStewart-centerMalone-center/lwHowe-lwyou have no right winger.(I had to go through ancient scrolls to find this info,as nobody I know is that old)lol

Christ do you know how hard it was to find 6 decent players they only played with 8-9 players in those days

September 2, 2010  12:07 PM ET

Nice idea. And as always...Great to see hockey TDs.

September 2, 2010  04:29 PM ET

Wow....tough TD... I am assuming you couldn't find a goalie, which is why you avoided Sakic on your roster?

September 2, 2010  05:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Wow....tough TD... I am assuming you couldn't find a goalie, which is why you avoided Sakic on your roster?

You seem to have researched this well.lol

September 2, 2010  05:11 PM ET

I sent my opponent fm asking for 3 changes if possible,if not 2 will do.

September 2, 2010  06:05 PM ET

Love seeing all these Hockey TD lately.

Great topic and start. Unclear on comment 10. Sakic had a rather strong 6-7 Years in Quebec did he not? Dan Bouhard !! WHOA that brings back memories.

I guess it depends over all time (ie 9 years vs 4 years on the team), or single season. Teemu's 4 years in Winterpeg were off the charts.

Look forward to the read.

September 2, 2010  07:18 PM ET

And he pulls Peter Stastny out of the bag of tricks!

Great pick.

September 3, 2010  02:01 AM ET

Float that is great! I had to run earlier, and one heck of a day, and since I spent many hours researching players from the WHA, because I was so excited I didn't understand the instructions!

So when I did, I had little time to pick, but I like where it started, as there is some guys that I was going to put on a la Sackic, and Selanne, but thought about overall impact at that position for that team.....I better stop, It's starting to look like I'm arguing down here!

September 3, 2010  03:07 AM ET

LW Michel Goulet
C Dale Hawerchuck
RW Bill Goldsworthy
D Mark Howe
D Carol Vadnais
G Dan Bouchard

September 3, 2010  03:09 AM ET

I'm interested in changing a guy or 2, but want to see what you think 4thstreet? It could be 3 if ya wanted, but your 2nd argument doesn't leave much room......so let me know!

September 3, 2010  03:22 AM ET

Pat "the Pylon" Quinn are you serious Paul Reinhart played one season in Atlanta and I'd have picked him first and as for penalties Quinn would be the one constantly in the box as he averaged about a minute and a half a game as opposed to Housleys just over half a minute

September 3, 2010  04:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

As per rules,they are not all in a natural positionStewart-centerMalone-center/lwHowe-lwyou have no right winger.(I had to go through ancient scrolls to find this info,as nobody I know is that old)lol

Okay
Glen Brydson St Louis Eagles RW

September 3, 2010  04:51 AM ET

LW Michel Goulet Quebec
C Ron Francis Hartford
RW Bill Goldsworthy Minnesota
D Randy Carlyle Winnipeg
D Barry Beck Colorado
G Gilles Meloche Oakland
covers the defensive toughness & goal scoring

 
September 3, 2010  04:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#21):

LW Michel Goulet Quebec
C Ron Francis Hartford
RW Bill Goldsworthy Minnesota
D Randy Carlyle Winnipeg
D Barry Beck Colorado
G Gilles Meloche Oakland

Hey K-aaa what are you doing passing up the best player from the Soo

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