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Micheal Jordan would not have won 6 rings in this era. Follow me at www.sporaholic2112.blogspot.com
C-los said 09/02, 01:36 PM
I just believe that the competition in today's league would be much more fierce. Rather if you agree with me or not, I think we can all agree that the NBA's talent pool has been raised over the last decade, from the AAU circuit and the impact of international players. With likes of Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson, and Brandon Roy to name a few the league is as deep and talented as its ever been at the wing position
Joe Dew said 09/02, 02:06 PM
Then you my friend do not understand the athlete that is Michael Jordan! Michael Jordan is not just an All Star that won 6 rings, he is widely recognized as the GOAT. Jordan won 6 rings in a more PHYSICAL NBA. You could hand check opponents, you could back up in the paint, and people couldnt run to the rim and get calls. Jordan changed his game along with the NBA and his age as well. When illegal defenses started to become relevant he adjusted. When people only believed he could score he became a premier defender. He had a sick fade away jump shot. Jordan had everything, talent, athleticism and leadership.
Its just sick to come on a sports site and try to knock down one of the Greatest of All time players. Air Jordan is still one of the most recognized athletes in the world. He helped make the game go global with the Original Dream Team. If it wasnt for MJ we might not have a European influence in the NBA.
Jordan helped make basketball a lifestyle as well, brought money to Nike and things so these companies could fund these AAU circuits and summer camps to bring in talent.
C-los said 09/02, 02:12 PM
Come on now Joe, its sick that you would think that i would try and knock MJ. He is the greatest player of all time i never said he wasn't what i am saying is that he came into the league at a golden time. Many of the greats retiring and he was entering his prime. None of that is his fault. He had great charisma and was a great pitchman, but shouldn't deter from the fact that the NBA as a whole has a talent level that far surpasses what was then. He would face a a lot of great players day in and day out. I ll give him three or four titles but not six. No one may not get six titles any more because the game has more parirty than it had before.
Joe Dew said 09/02, 04:19 PM
Your the one that started this td by saying that you didnt think Jordan would be as great if he played today against Lebron and Kobe. You said it, i didnt, you started the td. Then you agree that he is the GOAT.
You think he couldnt get 6 titles today? Kobe is 1 away from 6, so I believe if Kobe can get 6 then surely an MJ in his prime could get 6!
The Real Question should be? If Jordan never retired in his prime would he have 8 titles? Could MJ have gotten 10 titles if he didnt retire twice? See if MJ could do it again maybe he wouldnt play baseball and come back to wear #45. Maybe he wouldnt retire after the 2nd threepeat and he could have done a few more and we would have never had to see his airness in a Wizards uniform.
Dont say I am trying to be sick when you dont think MJ could get 6 rings in todays NBA when the rules are softer, you cant man up as much and every touch is a foul. If anything Jordan would be even more unstoppable now and would score even more than he ever did. Jordan most definitely would not be worse in todays NBA.
C-los said 09/02, 05:05 PM
Um i don't think you read my post right Joe. Never said Mike would not be great playing in today's game, make sure you double check that.
Lets take a look at his finals apperances competition:1991 defeated LA Lakers with Byron Scott as main defender, 1992 defeated Portland Trail Blazers with an Danny Ainge and Cliff Robinson trying to defend, in 93 defeated the Phoenix Suns with Dan Majerle, Xavier McDaniel and Jeff Hornacek in platoon defense. That was MJ's first three year run. After that little baseball thing he came back for a second round of terror defeating Seattle in 96 being defended by Nate McMillan and Xavier McDaniel (again). His last two titles came against Utah and we all know they had no one to contain Micheal.
There is no doubt in my mind that MJ was the best player to ever play, there also no doubt in my mind that he came into the game in a perfect timing of sorts. His talent was above and beyond those who he played with in his generation. To his credit, none of that is his fault. But again, in this new generation of players that are just as athletic and skilled (although none are of the level of sheer will to win) as he was. He was the first of the new breed
Joe Dew said 09/02, 05:36 PM
I am sickened with your argument. I already made a comment down below about that Phoenix Suns team. Jeff Hornacek was traded for Charles Barkley! How did Hornacek guard MJ in the 93 Finals when he wasnt even on the team!
The players Jordan went up against in his day were good. Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Penny Hardaway, Mitch Ritchmond, Glen Rice, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Tim Hardaway, James Worthy, Dan Majerle, John Stockton, Gary Payton, Reggie Lewis, Isiah Thomas, Mark Price, Joe Dumars, John Starks... I could go on. The NBA was good then, I dont know why you think they werent. I havent even mentioned the bigs like Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem, Malone, Barkley, Mutumbo, Alonzo, Shaq, and so on...
I am done with this. You just need to go watch some youtube clips and read up on some history of the game. Go pick up Bill Simmons Book of Basketball, they have a pretty good history lesson in that book.
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You can't say just Michael Jordan wouldn't win 6 and make it a fair comparison. It has to be Michael Jordan's Bulls would not have won 6 championships in this era. You have to assume Pippen, Rodman or Grant in their primes, Kukoc, and the other role players would be the same on the Bulls team or else there's no way to compare this fairly.
SloppyJaloppy
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you also run into the paradox of could a Phil Jackson coached Bulls team beat a Phil Jackson coached Lakers team. Hmmm?
SloppyJaloppy
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Damn you, JOE!!!
DJRoxalot
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Kobe, Wade, James are international players?
DJRoxalot
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Wow.
DJRoxalot
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Pfffff... Joe is going to have a field day with this one.
Jordan, in his prime, would still be the man in the current NBA.
Hyped78
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Why can't you compare it? Everyone is judged by their rings at the end of the day and what i am comparing is the competition of the league at that time which was no where close to what it is now. And the phil jackson paradox thing is not what i m concerning in this debate. Lets say this: If you insert Kobe on bulls team and took Mike out do you think Kobe still wins 6 rings? i say yes because he would dominate just like mike did at that time
C-los
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In the six **** that Jordan won these are the teams he faced in those finals: 1991 defeated LA Lakers with Byron Scott as main defender, 1992 defeated Portland Trail Blazers with an Danny Ainge and Cliff Robinson trying to defend, in 93 defeated the Phoenix Suns with Dan Majerle, Xavier McDaniel and Jeff Hornacek in platoon defense. That was MJ's first three year run. After that little baseball thing he came back for a second round of terror defeating Seattle in 96 being defended by Nate McMillan and Xavier McDaniel (again). His last two titles came against Utah and we all know they had no one to contain Micheal.
C-los
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Rodman wasn't exactly in his "prime" during the Bulls years, he just played well.... he was like 35 years old and had already been playing forever... and it was considered a terrible trade when they made it...
That said... I agree, "Michael Jordan" wouldn't win 6 rings in any era and the entire Bulls teams he was a part of need to be included... he'd get destroyed in 5 on 1 games, and go 0-82 for the regular season.... well, maybe he'd drop the Clippers once or twice.
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I fixed your post...
Bullet Tooth Tony
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ok, maybe I messed it up trying to tag what I changed... whatever.
Bullet Tooth Tony
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He wouldn't win six rings now, he'd win more. Jordan always got the benefit of the calls but players like LeBron, Kobe and Wade get EVERY call with a fraction of the resume. Let's also not forget that Jordan was willing to take a lesser contract (Bewteen 1988 and 1996 he never made more then 4 mil a year) and help out the team. In today's salary cap era that means he'd be on an excellent team.
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Stop, your making a fool of yourself. How about the defense on those Knicks teams? Back then you could actually play defense and the Knicks were bruisers. You seem to discount actually getting to the finals. The West sucked then outside of Houston. Jordan had to go into the paint against Ewing, Robinson, The Dream, Shaq later, and those outstanding Detriot teams with Rodman, Isiah, Johnson and Dumars.
In todays defensively inept basketball Jordan would be even more dominant and win even more titles. Especially if he didn't take a baseball break.
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Lol thanks bruce leroy
C-los
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@Justin Tears- i agree with you that rules back then were different and you could get away with much more on defense but can you name me 3 good defenders back at that time? if kobe played on those bulls teams and got the calls that MJ got he would have had just as many rings as MJ had
C-los
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I will say that defenders and perimeter players now are far more athletic than they were in Jordan's days, especially early in his career
Rudedog: Thankful
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@Rudedog- Thats exactly what i m saying
C-los
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it all depends.
would he have the teams he had back then? If so, they could probably pull it off.
The thing is that now it is harder to keep all major players on the team once you win once, let alone 6 titles...
Roni
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Jeez, really tough sell for left. I admire your fortitude but regardless of the arguments you put up, the vote will most likely go the other way. Another small piece of advice if I may, always use the max or close to the max of 1200 characters for your argument. If you can just type up an argument without numbers or stats, you haven't done enough research!
Per Sempre
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but that doesn't mean Jordan wouldn't have won 6 titles. He was one who rose to the challenge. Don't forget that in the '03 All-Star game, he finished with 20 points against hte likes of Kobe, and Shawn Marion guarding him.
It's a tough topic
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