- 09/06/2010, 01:10PM ET
Joe Dew said 09/06, 01:10 PM
I am sick of hearing the rumors and connection of Deron Williams leaving Utah for the following reasons:
1-Deron is upset with the situation in Utah.
2-The Jazz still have no title since he re-signed.
3-Losing Korver, Boozer, and Brewer has taken his heart out of it.
4-When Deron played in the All-star game in Dallas, it was the happiest he's looked in two years.
5-Dallas has substantial cap room in 2012
6-He'll have a better supporting cast in Dallas
I will address all of these reasons and why they are absolutely false. I dont have all the room here but will start with Deron Being upset in Utah. He has stated that he has happy with the additions of Al Jefferson, Raja Bell, and Hayward and thinks Utah is moving in a good direction.
Title talk is stupid, only 2 teams have titles since Deron signed (his extension) being the Lakers and Celtics. The Lakers have also knocked the Jazz out of the West all 3 years. Deron has also said that he will make Big Al an All Star so he still has heart in it and even talking about Brewer was last year at the trade deadline, not this summer.
More to come!
fvkasm2x said 09/06, 01:45 PM
I will show you why those things (or at least most) are true.
1. He is upset that the team traded away one of his best friends, in Brewer. Google "Deron Williams + upset" and you get 16,000 results.
He is also upset that management lost Brewer, Boozer, Korver and Matthews, but did nothing notable in return. Their roster got much weaker. Williams wants to win and it is clear Utah won't challenge for the Championship any time soon.
2. The Jazz don't have a title. How can you prove that is false Joe Dew?
3. See #1. Maybe not his heart, but it is definitely hard to play with the same drive. He is human.
4. Happiest cannot be measured by the "look on one's face." This cannot be proven either way by either of us.
5. Dallas will have cap room. Even if they didn't, they would make the trades/cuts in order to have the space. Cuban wants to field a good, entertaining team. If he can get Williams, he will try for it.
6. He would have a better supporting cast. See #1. Utah traded away most of their depth. Dallas seemingly always has depth.
Joe Dew, I proved that at 5 of those 6 ARE true. How can you prove they all aren't?
Joe Dew said 09/06, 01:53 PM
If you saw the article in Dime Magazine these are the 6 points they brought up.
4- All Star Game in Dallas. I agree with happiness not being judge-able. He would have been happy to be playing the All-star game in Yellowknife, Canada. He had just been snubbed for 2-3 years. Being in Dallas was icing on the cake.
5- Guess who else has cap room in 2012? Utah. Not that it matters anymore but guess who can give him the most money? Utah Guess who might not have cap room in 2012 because your owner is Mark Cuban?
6- Depth-- The Jazz have Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Raja Bell, and Gordon Hayward on the books for 2012-13. The Mavs have Dirk, Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood, Roddy, and Dominque Jones. The average age of those first three will be about 33. Even if the ages were the same, is that a lineup that would be enough to pull Deron to Dallas?
And we still have no idea what teams/contracts will look like after the new CBA!
The biggest factor to me why this wouldn't happen would be that Dallas will be over whatever the cap is in 2012 with Cuban doling out huge contracts trying to build a winner.
fvkasm2x said 09/06, 03:38 PM
You said: "I will address all of these reasons and why they are absolutely false."
I am waiting to see how you can prove 5 of these wrong, since I already threw #4 away.
5. I can't really think of many marquee free agents who want to go to Utah. It has been a great franchise, has a great coach and everything about Utah seems to be super.
But it is in Utah. Nowadays players want 3 things:
If a player (Amare, Bosh, LBJ, etc...) wants to really make themselves into a household name, they go to the big markets. Salt Lake is nice for mormons, but not for young rich black people.
6. Raja bell isn't half the player he was with Steve Nash. Look at his career. Pre-Nash he was a nobody and nobody knew his name. With the Suns, he became a household name. Without Nash again, he has done nothing. Same with players like Q Richardson. Sorry, but Bell will not be the glue that holds the Jazz together.
Cuban is a proven "fan/owner" who cares about his team. He will get the players needed to make his team better. Utah management is not the same.
Also, there ARE other teams he could go to you know.
Joe Dew said 09/06, 04:05 PM
You knock on Raja Bell and forget that this guy was undrafted and played in the Finals his Rookie year on the Sixers alongside Allen Iverson. He gained some publicity because he was guarding Kobe Bryant. He then went to utah a few years later and gained attention as being a defensive stopper and three point threat, enter Steve Nash. You cant really talk about after the Suns because it was so quick in Charlotte and playing in a new system.
Last time Boozer was a free agent he signed in Utah. So I dont think thats really a problem anymore. Utah typically builds from within, drafts and so on. Millsap, Matthews, Miles, AK47, Williams... So i dont think the Jazz have problems acquiring talent.
How can you say Cuban is a proven owner where the Jazz are not. Really? WHat is your reasoning? Cuban has been to the finals once, the jazz have been twice. The Jazz play deep into the post season, the last couple seasons the Mavs have been just the same as the Jazz. Out the 1st or 2nd round. Even the year the Mavs lost to the Warriors the Jazz beat them in 5.
fvkasm2x said 09/07, 12:51 PM
Title talk may be stupid, but their point was accurate. There is no way to disprove that, so how you can say #2 is false, is beyond me.
Dallas will have cap room in 2012. Even if they didn't, they still have 1.5 years to clear space, so you can't prove that false either. It's already true.
I said "a proven owner that cares about his team." He is passionate. He is the most energetic, in your face GM/owner/management type in the business. There is no way he is going to dump players because of payroll or let the team slip into obscurity.
I'm not saying the Jazz are doing that, as they are still a good team... but it is obvious that they cannot win a championship. Dallas is only 1 great player away, plus a few role players. Williams can be that guy. Pairing him with Dirk and a few "2nd fiddle" types and they can make some serious noise. The Jazz aren't even that close.
In any event, I feel you failed to live up to your promise.
You didn't disprove #2 and #6.
The onus wasn't on me to prove they were true (since they are facts that cannot be disputed), the onus was on you to say they were bogus. They aren't.
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