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  • 09/07/2010, 01:28PM ET

NHL Tourney- Starting 5 and a goalie

Chosen1 (316-130-44) vs Serial Dex (85-39-9)
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Ok so here are the rules

1) The player can not be from the US, Canada or Russia
2) This is for current day so guys like Gretzky are not to be used



I dont know much about hockey so I probably left off of some big names but here we go


LW- Dany Heatley (Germany)
C- Anze Kopitar (Yugoslavia)
RW- Daniel Alfredsson (Sweden)

D- Zdeno Chara (Slovakia)
D- Mark Streit (Switzerland)

G- Miikka Kiprusoff (Finland)



I have to go to work so Im going to just list first


Hmmm seems we have different takes on the topic. I took it as "Olympic players" and you went with country of birth. Naturally, the selections of Heatley (who plays for Canada in the Olympics) and Kopitar (Slovenia has no team) are intriguing.

LW- Daniel Sedin (Sweden)

C- Mikko Koivu (Finland)

RW- Marian Gaborik (Slovakia)

D- Christian Ehrhoff (Germany)

D- Mark Streit (Switzerland)

G- Tomas Vokoun (Czech)

Chara vs Ehrhoff: Ehrhoff is at the top of his game. Last season he got 44 points and scored a career high 14 goals. He was also +36. Chara also scored 44 points and was +19

By using Ehrhoff, I feel that:

1. I was following an Olympic guideline
2. It allows me to use better players up front while still getting a great d-man

Goalies

Kipper wasn't even going to be the starting goalie for the Fins. He created a minor storm when he whined about being a back up (they were going to use Niklas Backtrom from MIN). He begged off the team in prior events, citing injury and the NHL grind as to cumbersome.

Vokoun is one of the best goalies in the league (and underrated). Superior stats over the past 5 years.

MTC!


Chara vs Ehroff

Ehroff had his second season of at least 40 points but Chara has done that the last 6 seasons and has reached at least 50 twice something Ehroff has not done.

I am not saying Ehroff is a bad choice but one year is just not enough for me. Chara has a proven track record including a James Norris Trophy for the best defenseman in 08-09


Alfredsson vs Gaborik

Say what you want about Alfredsson's age but the fact is the guy still produces. He had 71 points last year making it his 9th straight season of at least 70.

Gaborik is good but has health issues. In the last 6 seasons he has played in a total of 348 games to Alfredsson's 450 games.

Im taking Alfredsson for his health, veteran presence, consistency and leadership being that he has been the captain of the Senators for the last decade


Kopitar vs Koivu

Kopitar is 4 years younger than Koivu and both have played in the NHL for 4 seasons and so far he has outscored him by 30 points.

Koivu might be a little better in certain parts of the game but overall Kopitar is the better player and on top of that has a higher upside still.


good luck Dex


Goalie:
Last 3 years:

Kipper: 2.62 GAA, 0.909 save % and 10 Shutouts

Vokoun: 2.57 GAA, 0.923 save % and 17 Shutouts!

My goalie wins in all 3 major stats, while playing for a far worse team. Advantage me.

Forwards:

Looking at each player's last 2 full seasons, we see these totals:

Your 3: 446 points (including 183 goals) and a combined +28

My 3: 474 points (including 186 goals) and a combined +92

So using those 3 major stats, we see my guys score more & are solid defensively. Your guys were on the ice for 64 opponent goals more than mine. Specifically, Koivu is a great 2-way player. He is vastly underrated.

Advantage me.

D-men:

Ehrhoff has been paired with future hall of famers Scott Neidemayer & Chris Pronger in Anaheim. In Vancouver, he was the only constant on a roster of injury plagued blue liners. With Salo, Mitchell & Bieksa all missing time with injuries, Ehrhoff stepped up and helped take VAN to another Pacific title as the #1 d-man on the team.

Yes Chara has the "track record" but as you say, he is also much older. My guy has youth, skill and poise well beyond those years.

Advantage you (maybe?)


I like how you lumped three players in one as if their plus minus has nothing to do with the players around them....

From the 09-10 season leaders in plus minus and you will find that of the top 17 a total of 12 are either from the Caps or Canucks.


Kopitar vs Koivu

Kopitar is already a better all around player than Koivu. He is better on offense and is developing in to a really good defensive player.

You did not even disagree with me that Kopitar is the better overall of the two. Instead you decided to lump all the forwards together.

You talk about points well Kopitar beat your guy there and has been on the ice for less goals while playing more minutes.


Chara vs Ehrhoff

Even you said I have the advantage so I will take that....


Alfredsson vs Gaborik

Gaborik is an every other year type of player

06-07= 48 games
07-08= 77 games
08-09= 17 games
09-10= 76 games

Now compare that to Alfredsson who played in 77, 70, 79, and 77. The old man at least is a lock to be on the ice Gaborik is not




Honestly only place you got me is lw and maybe goalie.. well got to go didnt have much time for this so its a rush job


Kopitar is not a better all around player.
- He scores more goals and that is it and not by much. Factor in the defensive style of Minnesota, the fact that Kopitar has better linemates to play with, etc... and that makes up the offensive stats.
- Koivu is way better at faceoffs (#8 in the league at 56.9% while Kopitar isn't even a top 50 guy with 49.7%)
- Koivu is better defensively.

As for Alfie, yes he is the model of consistency. You hate "lumping all 3 guys together" but what about the guys on the line with Alfie? For much of his career, Alfie has played with premier players. Spezza and Heatley are among the best in the league. Gaborik has had the pleasure of playing with Vinny Prospal, Chris Drury, Brian Rolston and Pavol Demitra. Yawn.

Gaborik is a superior talent who has never had a great team to work with. It has long been said that his "injury" problem is more frustration with this team than anything. He quits because he is the only one with skill to put goals in the net.

Pair him with some elit talent and he would thrive.

September 7, 2010  01:30 PM ET

oh fudge...

I forgot to type in another rule each player has to be from a different country so the same country cant be represented twice

September 7, 2010  02:08 PM ET

Dany Heatley plays for Team Canada

September 7, 2010  02:13 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

oh fudge...I forgot to type in another rule each player has to be from a different country so the same country cant be represented twice

born in germany though... just because a guy plays for a team does not mean they were born there.

i mean heck nba player kaman played for Germany even though he was born in the US as were his parents

September 7, 2010  02:13 PM ET

I would have loved to have this one

September 7, 2010  02:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I would have loved to have this one

its a tourney one... remember hockey for me as far as how much I know ranks behind the MLB, NBA, NFL, and boxing

so if I made a jacked up team well admittedly Im over my head in this tourney... for the record my center was not my original pick but i was having a hard time on another position so I had to use the same country for it that my original center is from

September 7, 2010  04:42 PM ET

I hate to say it Chosen but I'm quite sure I could make 5 changes with this lineup.

September 7, 2010  04:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

its a tourney one... remember hockey for me as far as how much I know ranks behind the MLB, NBA, NFL, and boxingso if I made a jacked up team well admittedly Im over my head in this tourney... for the record my center was not my original pick but i was having a hard time on another position so I had to use the same country for it that my original center is from

Fair enough, you'd probably crush me in a boxing TD.

September 7, 2010  10:59 PM ET

dont like erhoff over chara but rights forwards are much better.

will hold my vote

September 7, 2010  11:03 PM ET

i would have chosen teemu selanne over daniel alfredsson if i was left

September 7, 2010  11:05 PM ET

Left has the advantage at F and D in my opinion, but I like right's Goalie pick.


I'll wait for arguments.

September 7, 2010  11:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Left has the advantage at F and D in my opinion, but I like right's Goalie pick.I'll wait for arguments.

Alfredsson is a little long in the tooth his best years are behind him .I would say that at Center the right also has the advantage Sedin and Heatley are a toss up .Chara has has a better career than Erhoff but Erhoff had a great season last year.Vokoun is far better than Kipper at this stage in their careers .We'll see how the arguments go

September 8, 2010  02:00 AM ET

I don't care for the Chara comparison, not that Erhoff isn't good, and could become really great. I just think that Chara has already proven himself, and is in prime years, where Erhoff is good, he has room to get better. Great season, I'll give him that.

I like Vokoun over Kipper, and I cannot stand players that whine that they aren't playing unless they start, but aside from that, Kipper hasn't been as good as he has in the past.
Mikko is an interesting choice, and a good one, I am iffy of the"if he plays healthy" Gaborik.

I'll vote when all 3 are in! This should be interesting.

September 8, 2010  09:22 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

I'll vote when all 3 are in! This should be interesting.

Don't do it Kinger. It could be a trap! LOL

September 8, 2010  09:25 AM ET

Below here is how the topic was presented to me as


starting 5+goalie from 6 different countries.

In the comments throw out this caveat (to save argument space).

Nobody from Russia, Canada or USA.




It says nothing whatsoever about Olympic team it says from 6 different countries. Being on an Olympic team does not make you from that country

September 8, 2010  10:47 AM ET

LW Heatley (Zee Germans) Normally RW?
C Backstrom (Sweden)
RW Gaborik (Slovakia)

D Kaberle (Czech)
D Streit (Swiss)

G Rask (Finland)

September 8, 2010  10:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

LW Heatley (Zee Germans) Normally RW?C Backstrom (Sweden)RW Gaborik (Slovakia)D Kaberle (Czech)D Streit (Swiss)G Rask (Finland)

is heatley normally a rw? if so that would have made my team look completely different

I had Backstrom at c to start being that Im a Caps fan he is the first guy I thought of... but I couldnt think of anyone who plays rw to put because I thought Heatley was a lw

September 8, 2010  11:02 AM ET

no good to make rules that don't work

September 8, 2010  11:23 AM ET

No Zetterberg? He's better than the two centers listed. The only question is if you take Sedin over Zetterberg for your Swedish player, a toss up for me.

September 8, 2010  11:25 AM ET

Dumb.

 
September 8, 2010  12:40 PM ET

Zetterberg can always play wing, but I'd rather have him at center, which knocks out the Koivu's in my lineup, so:

C-Zetterberg (Sweden)
W-Hossa (Slovakia)
W-Antropov (Kazakhstan)
D-Kaberle (Czech)
D-Erhoff (Germany)

G- Hiller (Switz)

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