- 09/07/2010, 01:28PM ET
Chosen1 said 09/07, 01:28 PM
Ok so here are the rules
1) The player can not be from the US, Canada or Russia
2) This is for current day so guys like Gretzky are not to be used
I dont know much about hockey so I probably left off of some big names but here we go
LW- Dany Heatley (Germany)
C- Anze Kopitar (Yugoslavia)
RW- Daniel Alfredsson (Sweden)
D- Zdeno Chara (Slovakia)
D- Mark Streit (Switzerland)
G- Miikka Kiprusoff (Finland)
I have to go to work so Im going to just list first
Serial Dex said 09/07, 10:38 PM
Hmmm seems we have different takes on the topic. I took it as "Olympic players" and you went with country of birth. Naturally, the selections of Heatley (who plays for Canada in the Olympics) and Kopitar (Slovenia has no team) are intriguing.
LW- Daniel Sedin (Sweden)
C- Mikko Koivu (Finland)
RW- Marian Gaborik (Slovakia)
D- Christian Ehrhoff (Germany)
D- Mark Streit (Switzerland)
G- Tomas Vokoun (Czech)
Chara vs Ehrhoff: Ehrhoff is at the top of his game. Last season he got 44 points and scored a career high 14 goals. He was also +36. Chara also scored 44 points and was +19
By using Ehrhoff, I feel that:
1. I was following an Olympic guideline
2. It allows me to use better players up front while still getting a great d-man
Kipper wasn't even going to be the starting goalie for the Fins. He created a minor storm when he whined about being a back up (they were going to use Niklas Backtrom from MIN). He begged off the team in prior events, citing injury and the NHL grind as to cumbersome.
Vokoun is one of the best goalies in the league (and underrated). Superior stats over the past 5 years.
Chosen1 said 09/08, 08:19 PM
Chara vs Ehroff
Ehroff had his second season of at least 40 points but Chara has done that the last 6 seasons and has reached at least 50 twice something Ehroff has not done.
I am not saying Ehroff is a bad choice but one year is just not enough for me. Chara has a proven track record including a James Norris Trophy for the best defenseman in 08-09
Alfredsson vs Gaborik
Say what you want about Alfredsson's age but the fact is the guy still produces. He had 71 points last year making it his 9th straight season of at least 70.
Gaborik is good but has health issues. In the last 6 seasons he has played in a total of 348 games to Alfredsson's 450 games.
Im taking Alfredsson for his health, veteran presence, consistency and leadership being that he has been the captain of the Senators for the last decade
Kopitar vs Koivu
Kopitar is 4 years younger than Koivu and both have played in the NHL for 4 seasons and so far he has outscored him by 30 points.
Koivu might be a little better in certain parts of the game but overall Kopitar is the better player and on top of that has a higher upside still.
good luck Dex
Serial Dex said 09/08, 08:56 PM
Last 3 years:
Kipper: 2.62 GAA, 0.909 save % and 10 Shutouts
Vokoun: 2.57 GAA, 0.923 save % and 17 Shutouts!
My goalie wins in all 3 major stats, while playing for a far worse team. Advantage me.
Looking at each player's last 2 full seasons, we see these totals:
Your 3: 446 points (including 183 goals) and a combined +28
My 3: 474 points (including 186 goals) and a combined +92
So using those 3 major stats, we see my guys score more & are solid defensively. Your guys were on the ice for 64 opponent goals more than mine. Specifically, Koivu is a great 2-way player. He is vastly underrated.
Ehrhoff has been paired with future hall of famers Scott Neidemayer & Chris Pronger in Anaheim. In Vancouver, he was the only constant on a roster of injury plagued blue liners. With Salo, Mitchell & Bieksa all missing time with injuries, Ehrhoff stepped up and helped take VAN to another Pacific title as the #1 d-man on the team.
Yes Chara has the "track record" but as you say, he is also much older. My guy has youth, skill and poise well beyond those years.
Advantage you (maybe?)
Chosen1 said 09/09, 08:50 PM
I like how you lumped three players in one as if their plus minus has nothing to do with the players around them....
From the 09-10 season leaders in plus minus and you will find that of the top 17 a total of 12 are either from the Caps or Canucks.
Kopitar vs Koivu
Kopitar is already a better all around player than Koivu. He is better on offense and is developing in to a really good defensive player.
You did not even disagree with me that Kopitar is the better overall of the two. Instead you decided to lump all the forwards together.
You talk about points well Kopitar beat your guy there and has been on the ice for less goals while playing more minutes.
Chara vs Ehrhoff
Even you said I have the advantage so I will take that....
Alfredsson vs Gaborik
Gaborik is an every other year type of player
06-07= 48 games
07-08= 77 games
08-09= 17 games
09-10= 76 games
Now compare that to Alfredsson who played in 77, 70, 79, and 77. The old man at least is a lock to be on the ice Gaborik is not
Honestly only place you got me is lw and maybe goalie.. well got to go didnt have much time for this so its a rush job
Serial Dex said 09/10, 12:43 PM
Kopitar is not a better all around player.
- He scores more goals and that is it and not by much. Factor in the defensive style of Minnesota, the fact that Kopitar has better linemates to play with, etc... and that makes up the offensive stats.
- Koivu is way better at faceoffs (#8 in the league at 56.9% while Kopitar isn't even a top 50 guy with 49.7%)
- Koivu is better defensively.
As for Alfie, yes he is the model of consistency. You hate "lumping all 3 guys together" but what about the guys on the line with Alfie? For much of his career, Alfie has played with premier players. Spezza and Heatley are among the best in the league. Gaborik has had the pleasure of playing with Vinny Prospal, Chris Drury, Brian Rolston and Pavol Demitra. Yawn.
Gaborik is a superior talent who has never had a great team to work with. It has long been said that his "injury" problem is more frustration with this team than anything. He quits because he is the only one with skill to put goals in the net.
Pair him with some elit talent and he would thrive.
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