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- 09/14/2010, 03:33PM ET
I must break you.
Confucius. Trout said 09/14, 03:33 PM
In a recent comment of yours, you said:
"How about Phillip Rivers? Lost a ton or respect for him last night. You can't throw tantrums in the middle of a game, especially when you are playing just as bad as everyone else."
1 thing at a time.
What would you want him to do? Be all soft and positive about what was going on? **** that!
The god damn center refused to hike the ball. Receivers were falling down and they were dropping critical passes. I mean, what do you consider the right reaction?
He has to act like that, because if he doesn't do it, no one will and it needed to be done. The rest of the players on the team NEED to know that this is not OK. This team has a long history of underestimating teams constantly, and it needs to stop. And that blame is going to fall on Rivers, because he's the team leader, as it should.
My problem is that a lot of the players didn't show that kind of emotion. You're screwing the pooch against a division rival, on Monday Night Football.
And Rivers did not play bad last night, I'll get to that in my next argument though, because I don't have enough room.
BurghHockey12 said 09/14, 06:00 PM
Showing up your teammates? Putting all of the blame on them, despite the fact you were missing throws as well (9 of 17 in the 1st half)?
Boy, that really sounds like a guy I want to get behind.
Your homerism has caught up to you Confucius, because under NO circumstance should the quarterback of a team start mouthing off and losing his cool in the middle of a game. Especially, a quarterback the caliber of Rivers who is the unquestioned leader of that team.
His team was in a tough situation, with a hyped up crowd against them, the last thing they need is a QB throwing hissy fits on the field and getting in people's faces. If he wants to do that behind closed doors in the locker room, fine. But doing it on the field shows he has zero respect for his teammates, and he's not mentally in the game himself.
I want a QB who is level headed and calm when situations are tough. Not a guy who blows a gasket over a false start call while his team is down by a few TD's. It shows a lack of maturity and a lack of professionalism, which is why I lost a ton of respect for Rivers last night.
He's a good player, but this shows how much of a mental midget he can really be.
Confucius. Trout said 09/14, 11:39 PM
You had 1 glaring omission from your argument, THE FACT THAT THE TEAM RESPONDED WELL TO THE WAY RIVERS ACTED
He threw a tantrum in the 1st half, and his team played better in the 2nd half. And it wasn't just Rivers, the cool, level headed Norv Turner even chewed out a few guys. If that's not proof something was seriously wrong, I don't know what is.
And I'm telling you, the Chargers need someone to crack the whip, constantly. That's what they lost with Marty that took a while to replace. And that's why Rivers is the perfect compliment to Norv Turner, Turner's soft and Rivers yells at people. That formula got the Chargers 13 wins last season, and I saw Rivers do a lot of that same stuff over the course of that season.
And he didn't "put all the blame on them", here's what he said after the game (paraphrasing from a video)
"I'm sure there's somewhere else to throw it or make a better throw on 3rd down, but all in all a tough way to lose."
Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/2a6wbyg
That doesn't sound like a guy placing blame on others, this does:
BurghHockey12 said 09/15, 11:16 AM
Yes Confucius, we all know you have a Manning complex, but that has nothing to do with this TD.
"THE FACT THAT THE TEAM RESPONDED WELL TO THE WAY RIVERS ACTED"
I love the double standard. According to you, Rivers doesn't deserve blame for the awful first half, yet deserves all the credit for the Chargers coming back in the game? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. The fact of the matter is Rivers, the team leader, was AWFUL in the first half. He mentally checked out in the second quarter, and allowed his team to fall behind by two TD's going into the locker room.
And even if they came back in that game, do you think his teammates appreciate being called out in the middle of the field? Do you think they appreciate their star QB spiking the ball and acting like a child? Absolutely not.
You can get in people's faces without showing them up on Monday Night Football and throwing hissy fits. He clearly doesn't understand that, which is why he will never be in the conversation with guys like Manning, Brady, etc. who would NEVER do that. Let's not forget this guy has won NOTHING to this point in his career despite being on one of the most talented teams in the league.
Confucius. Trout said 09/15, 04:30 PM
"According to you, Rivers doesn't deserve blame for the awful first half, yet deserves all the credit for the Chargers coming back in the game?"
When did I say that, did you actually read any of my argument? I clearly say in my first argument:
"And that blame is going to fall on Rivers, because he's the team leader, as it should."
I gave him part of the blame and part of the credit. You can't deny that the Chargers played better after he threw that tantrum on the field, can you? You can't, because it's true.
"And even if they came back in that game, do you think his teammates appreciate being called out in the middle of the field?"
Of course they didn't, that's the point of doing it. Would you rather he send them a strongly worded letter a few days after the game? Would that be acting cool, calm, and collected?
You don't know the locker room dynamic, i don't know the locker room dynamic, all I know is that after Rivers did what you said was bad, his team played better. That seems like a pretty strong reason for why he did the right thing.
Why was this bad? So what if he hurt some feelings, they needed to be hurt.
BurghHockey12 said 09/15, 06:01 PM
"You can't deny that the Chargers played better after he threw that tantrum on the field, can you?"
Could they have played worse? Down by two TD's at the half against a team that finished last year with only 4 wins, the only direction they could have go was up. And even if they looked better, they still could only score once on the Chiefs in the second half.
That pretty much sums up Rivers. Great at getting his stats, but can't seem to deliver when his team needs to. And whenever the stakes get raised or the situation gets tough, he blows up mentally. The first half antics are just proof of that.
There are ways to inspire and demand more from your team. Spiking a football after a false start and acting like a 4 year old is not how to get it done. And while we may not understand the locker room dynamic, I'm quite sure I've never seen guys like Montana, Brady, Marino, Young, or Unitas do any of the crap Rivers did.
This whole TD was about MY opinion of Rivers. I lost a ton of respect for him because he openly threw his team under the bus during the middle of a game and acted like a child. Nothing you have said in this TD has changed my view on Rivers.
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Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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Let the excuses begin!
Can't believe the Chiefs are leading the AFC West...
LoveItHateIt
Portland, OR
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Only because the Chargers special teams sucked ass.
Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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Or the Chiefs special teams was explosive? You have to admit, those two rookies were pretty incredible.
LoveItHateIt
Portland, OR
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What excuses, the Chargers sucked last night. If it weren't for Rivers it might've been a shut out.
Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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Never good to chastise your OL if you are QB.... What would happen if they accidently fell while trying to pass block for him? I am sure the Center knew he messed up, Did he really need Rivers screaming at him to tell him that he messed up?
How about next time when the OL perfectly blocks for him and he misses a throw they scream at him for messing up a perfectly simple play... Sounds about fair right...
ScottC1010
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So is Darren Sproles, but the blocking in front of him was awful.
Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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Maybe Rivers should take a pay cut to get VJ back then
Rudedog: Thankful
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I'm guessing you played offensive line in HS.
Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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He already took a pay cut so they can sign Gates. He needs to stop asking for so much.
Confucius. Trout
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Who's trying to steal my thunder?
I Must Break You
Harrisonburg , VA
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Special teams sucked ass...
Line didn't block for Sproles...
Those and more to come, I'm sure :-)
LoveItHateIt
Portland, OR
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I agree with his point. It would be one thing if Rivers waited until they were on the sideline, but freaking out during the execution of the play? I've seen Rivers cry before, but last night was award winning.
LoveItHateIt
Portland, OR
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Those aren't excuses, those are reasons. Can you find another way to explain how a team dominated in yards, TOP, turned it over 1 time, and lost?
Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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There was no execution, that's why Rivers was upset. I would understand your point if it was just 1 time, and there weren't other problems, but it was multiple times and there was a lot of problems.
Confucius. Trout
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I dunno. Lemme go ask Dallas...
LoveItHateIt
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Chargers suck
SoCal: EAD Haters
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If anyone would know about sucking, it'd be you.
Confucius. Trout
Bat Country, CA
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Really want to respond to this, but don't want to take away from right's argument.
Anyway Con, it's one game. The Chargers will either learn from it, or implode. Of course, I hope for the latter! :-)
LoveItHateIt
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