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  • 09/21/2010, 03:30PM ET

Which 2-0 NFC team is most likely to miss the playoffs?

DJRoxalot (1085-669-126) vs Bundyrocksalot (68-60-10)
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It is early but myself and the (self appointed FN) Governor wanted to TD.

Like a couple of shameless TD Wh0res!!!

I say the Bucs are most likely to miss the playoffs after starting 2-0. They benefitted from opening the season against the Browns and Panthers. This week they step up in competition and face the Steelers followed by:

at Cincinnati
New Orleans

They should be 2-3 and they will have lost any momentum they might have been building with their 2-0 start.

The fact is they do not have a running game, averaging just 107ypg against the Browns and Panthers (15th) and 3.3ypc (tied with Dallas for 24th).

Freeman has 6 carries for 77 yards (12.8ypc). Williams is averaging just 2.6ypc and he is an injury prone player who has not shown the ability to stay healthy.

And the passing offense was even worse:

174ypg (25th)

6.8ypa (14th)

The Bucs do have a promising defense but without an offense capable of scoring they will not make the playoffs and end up battling with the Panthers to stay out of the NFC South basement.

Disagree??? Lets Throwdown!!!


Well DJ not leaving me much options now are you...lol. Okay Yes the Bucs I totally agree that they will fall and miss the playoffs. But they do have a shot and could be a suprise team. You just never know.

The team Im going with is....drum roll please. Really the only other team there is The Chicago Bears. Im not betting against Green Bay or New Orleans. So Chicago wins by default. In all aspects of the game NFL rule or not. The Bears should be 1-1 with the loss being to the Lions. The Bears had no reason winning that game a week ago. I will give them credit on the Cowboys win, however I feel the Cowboys are slightly overrated this season.

The Bears offense is suspect. Cutler is a complete Wild Card, and does not seem to do well when the pressure is on him. I see him faltering a bit after the Packers this week. The Bears seem to go on a downward spiral after thier first loss. I don't think they beat Green Bay this week, and I still think they go 8-8 or 9-7. I dont think this season that is good enough to make the playoffs unless you are in the AFC West.

Tampa is the safe pick after last seasons great season. Chicago is the more realistic pick based on tradition.


"The Bears offense is suspect. Cutler is a complete Wild Card, and does not seem to do well when the pressure is on him."

Last year it was suspect before Martz came to town. Cutler has looked light years better than last seasons version of Jay Cutler:

68.8%, 325ypg, 10.1ypa, 5 TD's to 1 INT's with a 121.2 QB Rating

Will he maintain those gaudy stats? Probably not but he is showing he is much better and comfortable in Chicago this year. He had a lot of pressure on him last year immediately following the trade.

"I see him faltering a bit after the Packers this week"

Very few gave the Bears a chance against the Boys. Who have a better defense than the Packers.

"The Bears seem to go on a downward spiral after thier first loss."

Correct me if I am wrong but they have not HAD their first loss. They are sitting at 2-0.

"Tampa is the safe pick after last seasons great season."

Or Kansas City. The other team that has sucked much more recently than Chicago. Who has been to the Super Bowl more recently than Tampa or KC.

The Bucs do not have proven WR's for Freeman to rely on. Their best option is TE Kellen Winslow Jr. And he has had his fair share of issues.


If you think for one second that Jay Cutler is the answer to Chicago's prayers. You are sadly mistaken. The Bears rely on the defense to carry them. I will give credit where credit is due. They played great against the Cowboys. However, some would say that this is an overrated Cowboys team.

"Correct me if I am wrong but they have not HAD their first loss. They are sitting at 2-0."

Are they going to go undefeated? Highly unlikely. The Packers are going to expose some of the Bears flaws, and despite an average defense. They will get to Cutler and force him to make mistakes. Again exposing him to other teams to do the same thing. If you put Jay Cutler in a pressure type situation. He is bound for failure.

The Bucs have a great defense. Will they make the playoffs? I cant answer that. I can tell you that they have a much better chance to make the playoffs than the Bears. The Bears will be exposed, and Lovie Smith will be fired like he should have been in Week 1 against Detroit.. AT HOME.

I dont care what they did against the Cowboys. The Lions game says it all for me. How do you know that the Cowboys didnt take the Bears lightly? They are bound for an at best 9-7 season.


"If you think for one second that Jay Cutler is the answer to Chicago's prayers. You are sadly mistaken."

Do not believe the hater-ade surrounding Jay. He is not a bad QB, despite his horrible showing last year. He was in a new system after spending his career in Denver. He has adjusted well to Mike's new system.

The Bears WR's are looking better this year:

Johnny Knox is an excellent deep threat averaging 19.8ypc.

Devin Hester is averaging 18.8ypc

Not to mention Cutler has a good TE in Greg Olsen and RB Matt Forte has developed his pass catching skills.

"Are they going to go undefeated? Highly unlikely."

No, but you were acting like it was a GIVEN they will lose to Green Bay. The Packers looked shaky against a suspect Eagles defense and walloped a bad Bills team.

Chicago is a definite step up after the Bears beat the Cowboys. A better team than any team GB has faced.

"They will get to Cutler and force him to make mistakes."

The Cowboys have a better pass rush and did not force Cutler into many mistakes. He threw the ball away rather than force a bad pass.


Forfeited Turn

September 21, 2010  04:15 PM ET

Tough call, because I think they'll both miss the playoffs.

September 21, 2010  04:21 PM ET

Bears won't lose a game.

September 21, 2010  04:22 PM ET

L E A D E R B O A R D: SEPT.21.2010




Rudedog still maintains his lead, but the possy is right behind him!

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September 21, 2010  07:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

L E A D E R B O A R D: SEPT.21.2010Rudedog still maintains his lead, but the possy is right behind him!

Still doing this, huh?

September 21, 2010  07:56 PM ET

good start...

September 21, 2010  11:41 PM ET

Is this supposed to appear as less of an easy win attempt than simply wording it the way it is. 'The Bucs are worse than the Bears'?

This argument hurts right though:

The Bears offense is suspect. Cutler is a complete Wild Card, and does not seem to do well when the pressure is on him.

Cutler had his **** handed to him over and over and over again in the first QTR Sunday and bounced back to have one of the best games of his career. I mean he was hit so hard and so often it was unlikely he'd make it through the game the way it was going. Martz made an adjustment, went to short drop backs and quick slants, beat the blitz for a couple big plays and all of a sudden Cutler looked like the second coming of Joe Montana.

The guy proved to me he's a lot tougher and a lot more poised than his reputation.

Don't discount the Bears. Dallas did...and it cost them. They aren't an upper echelon team, but they aren't going to lay down for anybody, either. And with Martz, they might just do something offensively for a change.

September 22, 2010  02:20 AM ET

Let's see
Tampa smoke and mirrors and good D but who have they beat Carolina & Cleveland no big upsets there

Kansas City some serious speed on this team but MC is a back up starting and one upset (SD) one not(Clev)

Chicago playing some stingy run defense but for a weird rule would be 1-1.Cutler did **** up but how many more hits before he starts getting happy feet Lots of tougn teams left on their sched

Miami don't know about Henne good D so far tough sched

Green Bay New Orleans Pittsburgh Houston play off calibre teams sooooooo

Tampa will be lucky to end up winning 6 KC 7 tops neither of these teams have the depth or talent to contend this year matter of fact it's far more likely that Dallas & Minnesota at 0-2 both make it than either of them

Miami & Chicago don't think they will due to tough sched's

September 22, 2010  02:22 AM ET

Apparently I need stronger glasses thought it said NFL not NFC

September 22, 2010  08:06 AM ET

I actually like Tampa Bay, i think that Miami will miss the playoffs after 2-0.

September 22, 2010  08:45 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Is this supposed to appear as less of an easy win attempt than simply wording it the way it is. 'The Bucs are worse than the Bears'? This argument hurts right though:The Bears offense is suspect. Cutler is a complete Wild Card, and does not seem to do well when the pressure is on him.Cutler had his **** handed to him over and over and over again in the first QTR Sunday and bounced back to have one of the best games of his career. I mean he was hit so hard and so often it was unlikely he'd make it through the game the way it was going. Martz made an adjustment, went to short drop backs and quick slants, beat the blitz for a couple big plays and all of a sudden Cutler looked like the second coming of Joe Montana. The guy proved to me he's a lot tougher and a lot more poised than his reputation. Don't discount the Bears. Dallas did...and it cost them. They aren't an upper echelon team, but they aren't going to lay down for anybody, either. And with Martz, they might just do something offensively for a change.

Everyone keeps saying "Oh Martz made an adjusment and the Bears did great. Martz is the best ever, omg, I love Martz, isn't he great?" All I can say is wow, an offensive coordinator made an adjustment and it worked, I mean what the hell, you can do that? It'll take another six days for the Bears to realize that Martz isn't the second coming of Jesus. And DJ, this does come off as an easy win attempt, at least a little bit.

September 22, 2010  09:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Is this supposed to appear as less of an easy win attempt than simply wording it the way it is. 'The Bucs are worse than the Bears'? This argument hurts right though:The Bears offense is suspect. Cutler is a complete Wild Card, and does not seem to do well when the pressure is on him.Cutler had his **** handed to him over and over and over again in the first QTR Sunday and bounced back to have one of the best games of his career. I mean he was hit so hard and so often it was unlikely he'd make it through the game the way it was going. Martz made an adjustment, went to short drop backs and quick slants, beat the blitz for a couple big plays and all of a sudden Cutler looked like the second coming of Joe Montana. The guy proved to me he's a lot tougher and a lot more poised than his reputation. Don't discount the Bears. Dallas did...and it cost them. They aren't an upper echelon team, but they aren't going to lay down for anybody, either. And with Martz, they might just do something offensively for a change.

Thank you. well said

September 22, 2010  11:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Everyone keeps saying "Oh Martz made an adjusment and the Bears did great. Martz is the best ever, omg, I love Martz, isn't he great?" All I can say is wow, an offensive coordinator made an adjustment and it worked, I mean what the hell, you can do that? It'll take another six days for the Bears to realize that Martz isn't the second coming of Jesus. And DJ, this does come off as an easy win attempt, at least a little bit.

Oh, give me a damn break! Given that we had Ron Turdner, the worst offensive coordinator in the league by FAR last year, yeah, we're excited to see that we have someone who can actually adapt to the situation.

September 22, 2010  11:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Oh, give me a damn break! Given that we had Ron Turdner, the worst offensive coordinator in the league by FAR last year, yeah, we're excited to see that we have someone who can actually adapt to the situation.

All I'm saying is there's a reason why Martz has been run out of STL, SF, and DET and the reason is he's not that good and his ego is HUGE.

September 22, 2010  11:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I actually like Tampa Bay, i think that Miami will miss the playoffs after 2-0.

TD was for NFC. You were probably just voicing your opinoin though.

September 22, 2010  11:51 AM ET

GB/Chi games ALWAYS can go either way. If Chicago will lose, I don't think it is that bad of a hurdle to get over. If they lose, and lose BAD, then it may be a sign that they are a wildcard 9-7 or 10-6 team.

September 22, 2010  12:03 PM ET

Chicago has a favorbale schedule, I think. Key match up's/games come at home.

NE, Philly, Was, and Jets are all in Chicago. Those are not given games, but those teams, from what we have seen this season, I would want to play at home, rather the road.

Then, away, they play Buffalo, Miami and Carolina.

September 22, 2010  12:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Everyone keeps saying "Oh Martz made an adjusment and the Bears did great. Martz is the best ever, omg, I love Martz, isn't he great?" All I can say is wow, an offensive coordinator made an adjustment and it worked, I mean what the hell, you can do that? It'll take another six days for the Bears to realize that Martz isn't the second coming of Jesus. And DJ, this does come off as an easy win attempt, at least a little bit.

All I said was Cutler was getting his **** kicked, Martz made an adjustment, and Cutler looked great after that. The rest of that garbage you pulled straight out of your ****. It was much more being impressed with Cutler for not falling apart after taking a beating than being impressed with Martz. Martz does get some credit for finding a way to keep his QB from getting killed before halftime, though.

September 22, 2010  12:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

All I'm saying is there's a reason why Martz has been run out of STL, SF, and DET and the reason is he's not that good and his ego is HUGE.

Martz took a leave of absence because of health issues from the Rams and was fired before coming back....the Rams have absolutely sucked since. In Detroit they won 7 games with him as OC, fired him and went winless. SF fired him when Singletary took over as HC and wanted a more run oriented offense. Had little to do with ego.

Whatever you think of the guy, every team he's gone to improved immediately when he got there and took a step or three backwards when he left.

September 22, 2010  12:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Everyone keeps saying "Oh Martz made an adjusment and the Bears did great. Martz is the best ever, omg, I love Martz, isn't he great?" All I can say is wow, an offensive coordinator made an adjustment and it worked, I mean what the hell, you can do that? It'll take another six days for the Bears to realize that Martz isn't the second coming of Jesus. And DJ, this does come off as an easy win attempt, at least a little bit.

Not when he could have picked another surprise 2-0 team in Kansas City who will be lucky to go 6-10.

 
September 22, 2010  12:34 PM ET

I do not agree with C-C-C often.

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