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Bio1590 said 08/29, 04:20 PM
Yes, he's put up 4221 yards and 36 TDs in 3 years, but look at the offense he's in.

The Bengal's are a throw-it-down the field offense. Teams know this, and can't stack the box.

Yet Johnson only has 4.06 YPC over these 3 years, and 3.8 the past year.

4.0 YPC used to be where you wanted to be, but nowadays it's more 4.4 or 4.5. Look at the top rushers last year. Tomlinson had over 5, LJ had 4.3, Jackson had 4.4, Gore had 5.4, Westbrook had 5.1, Barber had 5.1

Johnson had the lowest YPC out of all the top 10 rushers.

Against Indianapolis, one of the worst rush defenses of all time last year, Johnson had a 3.6 YPC average and 79 yards. Far from their 5.3 YPC average.

He also fumbled it 6 times.

In short, all his success is due to the Bengal's offensive system.

Bio1590 said 08/29, 11:47 PM
Cincinnati was 14th in Pass Attempts per game. More than half the league. Therefore, they pass more than half the league.

That being said, they were 20th in Rush Attempts.

And you say he has a lower YPC because he's slower?

Corey Dillon has been a power back his entire career. He actually managed to get 4 seasons over 4.6 YPC. He has a career average of 4.3 YPC - 0.2 higher than Johnson's over 1347 more carries.

And Rudi sets up the pass? No. It's like Indianapolis. It's an amazing system. Indy didn't even miss a step with the loss of Edge. Both Indy and Cinci pass to set up the run. Cinci takes like 5-6 shots downfield a game. Don't you think that'd more the backers back a bit and the safety's back as well?

And also. . .Rudi's longest run in 2006 was 22 yards (which just so happens to be Cinci's longest run of the year). . .only one team did worse (Arizona, understandably). . .even Detroit and Oakland had longer runs (52 and 59 yards, respectively).

And I won't even get started about how he can't catch.

and yes, 36 TDs in 3 years IS overrated if it's because of the system you're in.

Bio1590 said 08/30, 12:48 PM
Frank Gore: Look at the mess of an offense he was in. No real crazy threats at WR, their "superstar" TE broke his leg, and their offensive line was crap. Yet this guy (not being really fast in the first place), puts up 1695 yards and 5.4 YPC

And no, it's not every RB. Like I said, Frank Gore, Johnson (0 threats at WR the last few years), Tomlinson (that offense is centered around him - teams could mostly stack the box because all they had was Gates, and they didn't get a good O-line until recently) are not the products of system.

Indy proved it this year that any RB placed in that system can do well. Unless Edge proves otherwise this year by doing good in Arizona, I will believe that any RB placed in an offense such as the Colts or Bengals is overrated based on the fact that teams are more worried about giving up the bomb than the running game.

His YPC last year (3.8) was abysmal, 2005 was okay (4.3), and 2004 (4.0) was very, very average. His career YPC is very average (4.1).

And I'm not talking overrated in how people rate him. He's overrated in terms of the success he gets because any RB placed in there would be good, if not better.