- 09/27/2010, 11:57AM ET
tdbubba15 said 09/27, 11:57 AM
Should Chris Carter be in the HOF? I say yes and it's a shame on the NFL that he has yet to be inducted. He has been passed up 3 times now.
Cris Carter by the #'s:
Receptions: 1101 currently 3rd all time
Rec. Yards: 13,899 8th all time
Touchdowns: 130 8th overall, 4th overall for recieving TD's
Pro-bowls: 8 years in a row '93-'00
led the league in Rec. TD's 3 times and Receptions 1 time
Not quite sure how anyone can say he doesn't belong in the HOF.
Who's got the grapes to say no?
ColoNative said 09/28, 08:17 AM
No, he should not be voted into the HOF.
Cris Carter finds himself at a time in which the HOF voters must plan for the future. Due to the number of talented wide receivers in the NFL today - the HOF voters must raise the standard for the WRs getting into the Hall.
If a HOF voter uses Carter's stats as a standard for HOF induction, the WR position will dominate the ballot for the next 20 years.
Here are some interesting stats:
REC YDS TD
Carter 1,101 13,899 130
Moss 935 14,604 151
Harrison 1,102 14,580 128
TO 1,020 15,103 144
Other notable players to consider:
- Reggie Wayne
- Anquan Boldin
- Andre Johnson
There are a ton of other receivers that are currently in the NFL that are going to have careers that are comparable to that of Cris Carter.
Thus, the HOF voters need to raise the standard for the WR position. When one compares Carter's stats to that of Moss, Harrison, TO and what other NFL receivers will likely accomplish - Carter's stats don't make the cut.
tdbubba15 said 09/28, 09:02 AM
Thanks for taking the Throwdown and good opening arguement.
1st off you are comparing Carter to WR's that were either very young or not playing yet when he retired. When selecting players for the HOF you can't try to compare them to players playing now or in the future. You have to compare them to the players they played with during their hay-day.
Ask your self this question, was Cris Carter a dominant WR during his time? Was Cris Carter the WR opposing teams would look at in their game films and say "this is the guy we gotta lock down"? Yes to both of them.
Cris Carter Broke the single season reception record in 1994 with 122 and had the same exact amount then you following year. he had 340 receptions in a 3 year span ('94-96'). How many WR's can make that claim? I'll name 2 for you, MArvin Harrison and Jerry Rice and who did they have tossing them the ball? yup you guessed it, 2 HOF QB's in Steve Young & Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. And thats pretty much for their whole careers. Who was tossing the ball to Cris Carter? An old Warren Moon, Rich Gannon, Jim McMahon, Brad Johnson, And Randall Cunningham. Just doesn't add up yet he was still putting up the Same #'s.
ColoNative said 09/29, 07:31 AM
You state, "When selecting players for the HOF you can't try to compare them to players playing now or in the future". Then why does a player have to wait five years before they can be on the ballot?
A HOF voter must compare prospective inductees to that of HOF members, and current players.
Your telling me that IF Kurt Warner is on a HOF ballot, a HOF voter won't look at Warner's stats and compare them to Marino, Elway, Manning, Brady or Brees? Of course the voter will.
Similarly, Carter is not so far removed from Harrison, TO and Moss. Also, allowing Carter to enter the HOF with his REC - 1,101, YDS - 13,899, TDs - 130, opens the door for Hines Ward, Rod Smith, maybe even Steve Smith and Santana Moss.
With that being said - stats wise - in order to get into the HOF a receiver must have better numbers than Carter. The standard must be raised - and Carter is an unfortunate victim of timing.
If Carter had a couple of Super Bowl rings to go with his stats the conversation would be different.
His stats no longer meet the standard and he has no rings.
tdbubba15 said 09/29, 08:50 AM
You can't base 1 players football career no matter if they played offense or defense on SuperBowl Rings. Many HOF's have not won a SuperBowl.
One of the reasons the HOF commitee waits 5 years before voting a player in is guys like Brett Farve & Michael Jordan. They can't decide if they wanna retire or not. They don't want a HOF'r to still be playing.
you said: "A HOF voter must compare prospective inductees to that of HOF members, and current players."
That my friend is not the case at all. If so please explain Floyd Little and Gale Sayers making the HOF.
The voting is based on your career and how you competed during your time in the game.
As far as guys like Hines Ward, Randy Moss and the rest of the list you made, the game has changed completely since Cris Carter joined the NFL. Different rules that favor the offense to help with offensive production.
Bottom line Cris Carter during his career was one of the most dominant recievers and not only during his time but all time.
"VOTE for Cris Carrrrrrrrrrrrter!"
Thanks Colonative and Good luck
ColoNative said 09/30, 06:59 AM
HOF voters must evaluate a player's complete career, accomplishments, his peers, and maintain the prestige of the Hall.
Career: Carter had a great career, but overall, there are issues with his personality and the strength of his career are his stats. But compared to his -
Peers: All of the WRs that I have spoken about are in Carter's peer group. When Carter's stats are compared against theirs - his stats are NOT HOF worthy.
Accomplishments: No rings. The overall athlete must be evaluated. Championships are a major path of an athlete's overall career.
Prestige of the Hall: Allowing Carter to enter will open the door for too many mediocre WRs who have similar stats. Putting Carter into the Hall does not add Prestige to the Hall.
I don't look back and remember any plays or games that Carter dominated. I am not saying that he didn't - but his lack of success on the national stage (playoffs and Super Bowls) makes him irrelevant to most fans. In Minnesota he may be a household name, but everywhere else - Cris Carter who?
Keeping him out thus far has not caused an outrage, the voters have it right - he does not belong.
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