- 09/28/2010, 02:51PM ET
Grue said 09/28, 02:51 PM
Whooda Thunk it?
The Chiefs and the the Bears are 3-0. If only one of these teams could make the playoff, which of these is the "contendah" and which is the "pretendah".
I don't think either is Super Bowl matieral yet. But every year, a team comes from nowhere and surprises.
I'm calling the Chiefs the contendah. And it all starts with the defense. Currently 2nd in the league in points allowed at 12.7 per game. A good start. The D should keep Matt Cassel's O in most games.
I expect a reality check at Indy next week and a tough one at Houston, but after that things look mighty nice. Only 3 teams left on the schedule with a current winning record. (Wins)
(1) at Raiders
(1) at Broncos
(2) at Seahawks
(1) at Chargers
(1) at Rams
With a 2 game lead in the AFC West and the Cardinals & Seahawks are the best of the equally flimsy NFC West - 10 or 11 wins is possible.
The Bear look good so far, but have a much tougher road in a tougher division.
Chiefs are the Contendah.
Good Luck, DJ.
DJRoxalot said 09/28, 03:09 PM
The Chiefs have played
in their first 3 games.
The Chiefs D is vastly improved, fast and an attacking one but they have not played a dynamic offense.
Diego is without their best offensive option in WR Vincent Jackson.
I do not expect KC to sweep SD. The Chargers will be tougher matchup in Diego.
The Bears have a better defense (allowed just 17ppg but they have played a much tougher schedule with Dallas and GB) and they have a better QB. Once teams start to shore up and stop the run, KC and Matt Cassel will be in trouble.
Cassel: 54.5%, 165ypg, 6.4ypa, 4 TD's to 3 INT's with a 75 QB Rating.
He does not have Randy Moss, Wes Welker or Bill in Kansas City.
The Bears have the Giants and Panthers coming up on the schedule. Can you say 5-0 start? Followed by Seattle, Washington and Buffalo. It is not ouside the realm of possibility they are 7-1 or 8-0 once the first half of the schedule is completed.
Good luck, Grue. Always a pleasure and fun. Please wait until 2 arguments are in before voting.
Grue said 09/29, 10:00 AM
I'm not getting crazy and jumping on the Chief's bandwagon. The Bears are a better team than the Chiefs. Cutler is better than Cassell. But the Chiefs have a golden road paved ahead (#1 reason).
The 2010 version is showing that the 2009 version is ancient history.
The revival starts at the top with the GM and coaches. Former Pats GM, Scott Pioli, has assembled mucho Super Bowl experince-o. Coach Haley helped turn the Cardinals into an offensive force in 2008. Romeo Crennel and Weis reunite as coordinators to instill New England's SB discipline.
"The efficiency of our staff allows me to now be the head coach. I'm not having to do some of the other things that take up a lot of the time." - Coach Haley
Even with limited talent, the coacing impact was immediate. Cassell is no Tom Brady so Weis the Offense and the Chiefs have the league's leading rushing offense.
The team is built to win close, to win ugly. To win with running, defense, and special teams. Stuff that doesn't always impress in the box score.
You can call the early wins ugly, flukes, or undeserved - but the Coaching is the #2 reason they'll continue to win, and win ugly.
DJRoxalot said 09/29, 12:50 PM
"Coach Haley helped turn the Cardinals into an offensive force in 2008."
Missing something? KURT WARNER. He is not playing for the Chiefs. Warner, Fitz and Boldin were the key components to that offense. Kind of like Moss and Welker were the KEY components to Cassel having success in Brady's absence in New England.
"Romeo Crennel and Weis reunite as coordinators to instill New England's SB discipline."
This team is a ways from being close to that Pats team in terms of talent.
"The team is built to win close, to win ugly. To win with running, defense, and special teams. Stuff that doesn't always impress in the box score."
You just described the Bears win over the Packers Sunday night.
The Bears have made the playoffs much more recently than the Chiefs have. And the Bears have a special teams player that showed Sunday he can help them get back to the playoffs.
Not to mention he has improved as a WR with an amazing one handed catch a few weeks ago. He might not be a starter but he is perfect as a 3rd WR to help stretch the opposing defense.
And the Bears defense has proven they are the real deal. The Chiefs have not.
Grue said 09/29, 02:12 PM
I'm not talking about Warner or Brady. I'm talking about PLAYOFFS! (cue Jim Mora) not Brady/Warner.
Your assert Arizona and New England making Super Bowls had nothing to do with coaching? You assert that these experienced men have nothing to do with the Chiefs 3-0?
In 2009, the Chief went 1-7. In 2010, the Chiefs start 3-0. So what changes take them to the division title? Not talent, certainly.
1. Schedule 2. Coaches -> 3. Defense/Rushing/ST
The Bears won't win thier division - Green Bay will take that back at Lambeau. Green Bay has a much stronger team so it won't happen again. The team that squeaked by Detroit, caught a napping Dallas, and benefitted from bone-headed plays is going to emerge from the NFC Battle Royale? No.
Chicago can't run the ball - Forte (2.8 ypc). Cutler is 43 Points above last year's QB rating. The bubble will burst in Chitown! It has to.
The Bears are hoping to make a wildcard in the NFC. Chicago has to battle it's way past Philly, Dallas, Minnesota, Atlanta, New Orleans, Seattle, Arizona, Tampa (HA!) to snag a wildcard.
The Chiefs have a 2 game lead on the worst division in the NFL. PLAYOFFS!
DJRoxalot said 09/29, 02:54 PM
"Your assert Arizona and New England making Super Bowls had nothing to do with coaching?"
Did not say that. Pointed out QB is a key position on the field.
Their is a reason Bill did not make the Super Bowl when he was the HC in CLEVELAND.
"In 2009, the Chief went 1-7. In 2010, the Chiefs start 3-0. So what changes take them to the division title? Not talent, certainly.
1. Schedule 2. Coaches -> 3. Defense/Rushing/ST"
That does not change the fact that they have a MISTAKE prone QB playing one of the most vital positions. Brady and Warner were head and shoulders BETTER than Cassel.
Haley is not even close to Bill or even Ken when it comes to coaching.
"Chicago can't run the ball - Forte (2.8 ypc)."
It is early. The Bears have faced 2 excellent run D's in Dallas and Green Bay.
Lost Ryan Grant to a season ending injury. See the Packers running attack against the Bears? 15 carries for 63 yards, led by some guy named Kuhn.
"The Bears are hoping to make a wildcard in the NFC."
They are leading the North.
The Vikes? Are looking like they might be a .500 team. Old Man Favre looks like he has finally lost the Fountain of Youth.
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