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  • 10/06/2010, 10:22AM ET

Can the Miami Heat win the title with Erick Spoelstra as coach ?

The Chosen Few (5-20-1) vs tdbubba15 (51-16-6)
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The pre-season has kicked off and the expectations are high for the Miami Heat . But can James , Wade , Bosh , Haslem , Chalmers , and the rest win it all this year with Erick Spoelstra as their head coach . Three great friends and players and a coach who is set to lead them to the promise land .

I remember Doug Collins and the Bulls with MJ and how he could'nt get Jordan , Pippen and Grant to the next level . Two great players and a bunch of tall veteran role players and spot up shooters but Collins and his coaching staff didn't have the know how to win it all . Then along came Phil and his coaching staff with the same bigs and spot up shooters in all six of their title runs . The bigs were different in the three title runs as well as the spot up shooters .

The keys to the title runs if you look at the teams that have won the most NBA titles . Six eleven , six ten , six nine , and seven foot role players on the roster along with veteran spot up shooters .

Miami has the big three but not much of anything else , and Spoelstra is going to be Mike Brown all over again for Lebron close but no cigar .

Pat Riley is the man for the job and he knows it !


Not sure I understand where you are going with this.

Can Eric Spoelstra win with the Big 3?

or

Can the Big 3 win without a "Big man"?

Sure Spoelstra can lead this team to the Championship.
2 Things need to happen in order for them to succeed.
1. The "Team" needs to stay healthy. Any major injuries to one of the big 3 while be an obvious problem to the team but the rest of the core players could be just as important.
2. The Big 3 need to be able to share the ball amoungst themselves and the rest of the team.

Now nobody can predict Injuries but I can tell you from what I've been reading in the Papers and On-line that this team wants to win and it looks as if Lebron, Bosch, and Wade don't care about how they win just as long as they do.

Spoelstra has the Dream job of the NBA right now. 3 of the best young players in the league along with a decent supporting cast. And he's living in Miami!

Spoelstra knows the game and has done a great job thus far in coaching the Heat to the play-off in his 1st 2 seasons.

I say Riley gives him 2 years to win it otherwise Riley will take over.
It won't come down to Riley firering him.


Kyra so you think a former single digit scoring college player , and former heat video coordinator , then assistant coach and scouting director , and 1st Filipino NBA head coach can lead the Heat to the title ? Sorry Kyra I think not .

Staying healthy is one of the keys for any team in the league to be successful that's a given .

The core player are important , not could be important , for they must know their roles which must be define by the head coach .

Three point shooters must spot up when Lebron or Wade are being double team when
driving to the basket and shoot the ball with confidence .

The Bigs must set the proper picks , then roll to the basket expecting the pass if Lebron and Wade don't have the shot , they must also blockout , rebound , and play tough defense .

Spoelstra has a dream job but like Mike Brown he doesn't have the experience as a head coach . When I look at his offense and game strategy it's give the ball to Lebron and Wade and get out of the way , no triangle or motion offense nothing .

Yeah he did a great job if you call his record of 90-74 great I think not . This guy will be replaced by Riley sooner than you think .


Ok 1st off its "tdbubba15" not Kyra. Kyra is my dream girl.

So you asked if I think "a former single digit scoring college player , and former heat video coordinator , then assistant coach and scouting director , and 1st Filipino NBA head coach can lead the Heat to the title ?

Well here is my answer: Didn't a former Grocery bagging, Arena League, 3rd string QB, from Northern Iowa lead the Rams to a Super Bowl victory in his rookie season? I believe the answer is yes.

So i guess the real question is Why can't he. And don't tell me cause of their supporting cast. That is bologna. Their supporting cast is good. And having 3 of the top 10 players in the league on 1 team makes up for not having a "Great" supporting cast.

No but seriously give me a real reason he can't coach them to victory this year besides hypothetical reasons.

I think their 1st pre-season game alone show that they can. Wade plays 3 minutes. Lebron and Bosch only combined for 38 of the "TEAMS" 115 points so hmmmm........... the rest of the team managed 77. Looks like they held their own in helping the team to victory.

Honestly your just looking for reasons to hate on the Heat.


I don't hate the Heat I'd like to see them dethrone the Lakers.
But they can't do it with their current coach . He's never played in the league like your Phil , Rudy T , Doc Rivers , and Pat Riley just to name a few.
These guys played under some pretty successful coaches and learned a lot about the game and game planning.
A great coach has to massage 3 big egos and know how to motivate them.
How to use his subs for Lebron , Wade , and Bosh wisely and maintain the flow of the game when their out of the game.
Have the right spark coming off the bench when one or two of the big 3 are having a bad game and a good sixth man.
He'll need veteran big men coming off the bench that can go into a game and beat up the Howards , Perkins , Duncans , Gasols and use those fouls wisely guys who can do the dirty work.
Choose the right team leader to run his game plan thru the players on the court . Lebron , Wade , and Bosh can't all be team leaders . There has to be one chief and everybody else must follow like Kobe , Peirce , and Wade during their title run.
Watching Spoelstra the last couple of years he won't be able to handle 3 great players and their supporting cast hes to green.


Ok what NBA tem did Gregg Popovich play for before he coached the Spurs to 4 NBA titles?

Now another theory has holes in it. If you can coach you can coach.

Subs? You'd use them as if you did any other team. Most subs in my opinion should be used as game managers. Some guys that are used as the 6th man are used as a tool to help lift the starters. the rest are out there to give the starters a breather and manage the game and limit any damage that can be done while the starters are resting.

The Subs that the Heat have are all veteranns for the most part. They have good experience and know their roles.

As far as team leaders who do you think lead the Laker Dynasty of the '80's. Was it Magic, Kareem, or in the last few was it Worthy? It was all of them the whole team had a leadership role. thats how a Dynasty works. everyone knows their role and does the best they can at it. Ego's are pust aside in a Dynasty. From what I have heard the Big 3 are ready for that.

October 6, 2010  10:36 AM ET

Christ... is it time for basketball again?

October 6, 2010  10:53 AM ET

I will be suprised if Eric Spoelstra makes it through the entire season. The biggest and oldest ego in South Beach, Pat Riley, will fire him before he gets a chance to guide the Heat to a championship. Riley has done that before, why not do it again?

October 6, 2010  12:00 PM ET

I remember Doug Collins and the Bulls with MJ and how he couldn't get Jordan , Pippen and Grant to the next level

The Bulls lost in the East finals in Collins final year, same as they did in Jacksons first year. Collins only had Pippen and Grant for two years and both were bench players their rookie season. Collins was replaced just as those teams were coming into their own, it's not a matter of him not being able to win with them. He wasn't given the chance.

October 6, 2010  01:11 PM ET
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The Heat will win it all.

I'm sure they will, it won't be this year though. They aren't even the best TEAM in the East. They have the best staring five, there lack of bench depth will be the reason they don't win it all this year.

October 6, 2010  02:22 PM ET

Leaning left at the moment.

Will check back in.

Riley did not wait long to fire Van Gundy.

October 6, 2010  02:23 PM ET
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Leaning left at the moment. Will check back in.Riley did not wait long to fire Van Gundy.

That was 5-6 years ago. Riley is 67 years old.

October 6, 2010  07:49 PM ET

Not even Phil Jackson could lead these 3 Stooges to the title this year.

October 6, 2010  07:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

That was 5-6 years ago. Riley is 67 years old.

67 is the new 47!

October 6, 2010  08:00 PM ET

No they can't

October 6, 2010  08:49 PM ET
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The Heat will win it all.

The NBA charity softball game?

October 6, 2010  10:35 PM ET

The Heat can present a strong challenge to Boston and Orlando but cannot win the title with Spoelstra an inexperience coach . They need a coach they can respect and knows how to get the best out of his players and one that knows how to manage a game come crunch time . Riley knows the game and how to manage egos and he has the championships to prove it. How many rings does Spoelstra have as a coach ? The one he got with Riley as head coach of the Heat . Riley won't let him ruin this team he personnaly recruited .

October 6, 2010  10:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

The Heat can present a strong challenge to Boston and Orlando but cannot win the title with Spoelstra an inexperience coach . They need a coach they can respect and knows how to get the best out of his players and one that knows how to manage a game come crunch time . Riley knows the game and how to manage egos and he has the championships to prove it. How many rings does Spoelstra have as a coach ? The one he got with Riley as head coach of the Heat . Riley won't let him ruin this team he personnaly recruited .

Talent wins championships, not necessarily coaches. Barry Switzer has a Super Bowl ring proving Jerry Jones was absolutely correct when he said "Any of 500 coaches could coach this team and win" then going out and hiring #499 on the list.

The Yankees won with NO discipline at all when the "Bronx Zoo" spent more time fighting with each other than anything else.

Doc Rivers went from mediocre coach to Champion thanks to the Big Three and a strong supporting coaching staff, not anything he himself did.

Tremendous talent can win no matter who the coach is. All the coaching in the world isn't going to make winners out of mediocre players.

That said, I don't see the Heat winning no matter who is on the bench. Too many egos and ball hogs for that deal to work well long term. And no coach is going to convince Lebron, the self designated best player in the game, that the team is better off with Wade taking crucial shots in crunch time.

Riley didn't have jack to do with putting this team together. The players themselves made all the decisions...another reason it won't work.

October 7, 2010  08:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Talent wins championships, not necessarily coaches. Barry Switzer has a Super Bowl ring proving Jerry Jones was absolutely correct when he said "Any of 500 coaches could coach this team and win" then going out and hiring #499 on the list. The Yankees won with NO discipline at all when the "Bronx Zoo" spent more time fighting with each other than anything else. Doc Rivers went from mediocre coach to Champion thanks to the Big Three and a strong supporting coaching staff, not anything he himself did.Tremendous talent can win no matter who the coach is. All the coaching in the world isn't going to make winners out of mediocre players. That said, I don't see the Heat winning no matter who is on the bench. Too many egos and ball hogs for that deal to work well long term. And no coach is going to convince Lebron, the self designated best player in the game, that the team is better off with Wade taking crucial shots in crunch time. Riley didn't have jack to do with putting this team together. The players themselves made all the decisions...another reason it won't work.

If thats the case the Dwight Howard and the Magic , Shaq when he was with the Magic , Dr J , and his 76ers with Doug Collins , Darryl Dawkins , World B Free and that group of talent should have won a championship or championships .
Players play the game and coaches coach . Bill Russell was the only player coach to win a championship . Coach can see things from the bench that players can't see , as well as recognizing match ups issues , when to call time outs , who's not getting the job done on the court , when to pull a player and who to sub him with , game flow ,crunch time strategy , and how to manage super star egos . Allstar games are totally different from regular season and playoff games . If these talented players didn't need a coach the owners wouldn't hire they'd let the players coach themselves . Unless you own your own business super star you have a manager that you have to answer to if not your employees would come to work when they feel like and go home when they please because they are super stars . Right ?

October 7, 2010  08:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Talent wins championships, not necessarily coaches. Barry Switzer has a Super Bowl ring proving Jerry Jones was absolutely correct when he said "Any of 500 coaches could coach this team and win" then going out and hiring #499 on the list. The Yankees won with NO discipline at all when the "Bronx Zoo" spent more time fighting with each other than anything else. Doc Rivers went from mediocre coach to Champion thanks to the Big Three and a strong supporting coaching staff, not anything he himself did.Tremendous talent can win no matter who the coach is. All the coaching in the world isn't going to make winners out of mediocre players. That said, I don't see the Heat winning no matter who is on the bench. Too many egos and ball hogs for that deal to work well long term. And no coach is going to convince Lebron, the self designated best player in the game, that the team is better off with Wade taking crucial shots in crunch time. Riley didn't have jack to do with putting this team together. The players themselves made all the decisions...another reason it won't work.

the problem with your theory right now is that we haven't had the opporunity to see if they will be 3 will be a problem together.

October 7, 2010  02:27 PM ET
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If thats the case the Dwight Howard and the Magic , Shaq when he was with the Magic , Dr J , and his 76ers with Doug Collins , Darryl Dawkins , World B Free and that group of talent should have won a championship or championships . Players play the game and coaches coach . Bill Russell was the only player coach to win a championship . Coach can see things from the bench that players can't see , as well as recognizing match ups issues , when to call time outs , who's not getting the job done on the court , when to pull a player and who to sub him with , game flow ,crunch time strategy , and how to manage super star egos . Allstar games are totally different from regular season and playoff games . If these talented players didn't need a coach the owners wouldn't hire they'd let the players coach themselves . Unless you own your own business super star you have a manager that you have to answer to if not your employees would come to work when they feel like and go home when they please because they are super stars . Right ?

Most of that has nothing to do with what I said.

I didn't say teams don't need coaches. What I said is great talent doesn't NECESSARILY need a great head coach to win. And it doesn't matter how great a coach is, if he doesn't have the talent, he ain't winning jack.

Bill Belichick - Great HC, or awful? Both. Depends on if you're a Browns fan or a Patriots fan.

Is Phil Jackson a genius or just the luckiest guy on earth? Who the hell knows. He was handed the keys to a gassed up Ferrari in Chicago and drove it as far as he could, when it was close to breaking down he ditched it on the side of the rode and was given the keys to a brand new Porsche in LA. I'll go with the Jerry Jones theory when it comes to Jackson...any number of coaches would have won with Jacksons teams. One could say the same of Auerbach, but the difference is Red actually built those teams, Jackson was handed turn key operations that were too good to fail. What would Phil have done with the other team in the Staples center? I'd bet not much.

There are many many examples in sports history of piss poor head coaches who won because they has superior talent on the field/court. I've given just a few examples. Great coaches who won with piss poor talent? Can't think of a single one.

Your examples don't really work. None of those teams were superior talents. You're talking about teams with single superstars. In basketball no less. That never works. Right now you're talking about a Heat team with three superstars. Coaching isn't going to make that big of a difference...but ego very well might.

Doc Rivers was under .500 in his 8 years as a head coach prior to the big 3 in Boston. Did he suddenly learn how to coach winning basketball when the Celtics went 128-36 the first two years Pierce, KG, and Allen played together?

October 7, 2010  02:38 PM ET
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the problem with your theory right now is that we haven't had the opporunity to see if they will be 3 will be a problem together.

No, we haven't. And I certainly -could- be wrong. That's why it's a theory.

However, it's a theory based on sound reasoning. There is still only one ball in basketball. The only way a situation like that works is if the individuals involved are capable of humbling themselves a little bit for the greater good of the team such as the Celtics did. Every one of the big three saw a drop in their personal numbers. That's going to happen in Miami by default.

It worked in Boston for several reasons that won't necessarily translate to the trio in Miami. First and foremost was those superstars doing something they hadn't done before (except for KG)...concentrate on Defense first. Second was a complete change in mindset offensively. Working the ball, taking the extra pass, setting picks, and not worrying about who had a big game and who didn't. Finally, a lot of help from a bench full of players who knew their role.

I don't see that mindset resonating with the mid-20's superstars in Miami, all of whom are used to, and expect, to be 'the man' night after night. Don't think it would have worked with the big three in Boston at that age, either.

Are they going to win a lot of games just from sheer talent alone? No question. Can they win a championship without making serious changes to the way they've all done things in the past? Unlikely.

October 7, 2010  02:40 PM ET

The problem with the folks who think they can't win is that they have the talent to beat anybody. The Playoffs are geared toward the best team winning, but the most talented team always has a "punchers chance". If (when) the Heat get into the playoffs, whoa to the team that draws them in the first round. After that, it will be "gut check" time and though there have been questions in the past related to LBJ's intestinal fortitude, they have enough talent to overcome that for at least one series against a top team and that might be enough to get them the Eastern Conference Crown. If they get in the finals, I hope they loose, but I wouldn't put any money on it.

October 7, 2010  02:43 PM ET

so I would say, yes they can win in spite of the perceived shortcommings of Eric Spoelstra.

October 7, 2010  03:00 PM ET

I think the real question is WILL they win.

 
October 7, 2010  03:04 PM ET

not a fan of the NBA or basketball for that matter.

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