- 10/06/2010, 04:03PM ET
DJRoxalot said 10/06, 04:03 PM
"Best ever QB / RB duo (all QB and RB stats and accomplishments, while a member of the same team, count)"
Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith.
3 titles together.
Aikman (14-7 in postseason), 61.5%, 199.6ypg, 7.0ypa, 165 TD's to 141 INT's with a 81.6 QB Rating
Smith, 4,052 rush, 17,162 yards, 4.2ypc with 153 TD's.
Troy and Emmitt were a dynamic combination at QB and RB.
Troy was not needed to throw the ball very much as he attempted just 28 passes per game during his career with Dallas.
However in Super Bowls?
Aikman was 56 of 80 for 709 yards with 5 TD's to 1 INT.
CuntryBlumpkin said 10/06, 08:59 PM
I've got Joe Montana and Roger Craig.
This duo was together from 1983-1990 with the 49ers.
The two won 3 Super Bowls together, same as Aikman and Smith.
Montana is widely considered the best QB of all time. Aikman is considered to be a very overrated QB.
Really and truly this one isn't even close.
Montana was a 7x Pro Bowler and a 3x 1st team all Pro during his time with Craig.
Montana had a post season record of 11-5 with Craig, and the duo never lost a Super Bowl that they were in.
In their 3 Super Bowls together, Roger Craig had 2 running and 2 receiving TDs.
Montana had 10 passing and 1 rushing TD.
This duo had great playoff performances, and Craig wasn't just a one trick pony.
He could run, he could catch and was no slouch blocking.
Montana beats Aikman in both the regular season and the playoffs.
Craig is not as good as Emmitt, but he was no slouch getting to 4 Pro Bowls and a 1st Team all pro with Montana.
This argument was mostly on postseason play, I'll get to the regular season in my next argument.
DJRoxalot said 10/07, 01:37 PM
Aikman (correction, 11-5 in playoffs) and Smith are both HOF'ers.
Montana (14-7 in playoffs) was but Craig is no HOF'er. And I have nothing but RESPECT for Craig. He played a season for my Raiders after leaving Cain's city.
Craig only had 3 seasons running for more than 1,000 yards. He was an excellent receiver out of the backfield, no doubt....
But he had just 13,100 yards from scrimmage.
While Emmitt blew him away with 21,579 yards.
More than 8,000 more yards. And do not say Craig could have approached that if he played longer. Craig's last 2 years in Minnesota were absolutely pathetic.
Montana was a better QB than Aikman.
But he played in an offense that threw the ball a lot more.
The Dallas offense was centered around Emmitt and the running game.
Troy threw 500 or more passes just one time. Montana did it twice. Plus Montana threw 346 passes in a season he only played 9 games=38 passes a game. Troy never threw the ball that often.
Aikman competed 63.7% of his passes in the postseason for 240.6ypg (an increase from his reg season stats), 7.7ypa, 23 TD's to 17 INT's.
Aikman and Smith were a better QB-RB combo.
CuntryBlumpkin said 10/07, 01:49 PM
It'sa two way street.
You say the fact the Montana played in a pass happy system brings Aikman closer to Montana.
Maybe I say, Smith played in more of a running system than Craig.
Plus when defenses play against the run, it becomes easier to pass. Montana was facing full coverage most every play. Aikman wasn't.
Aikman was a good QB no doubt, but many say he would have never been in the HOF if it wasn't for Irvin and Smith.
Craig could run, Craig could catch. He even had a season of over 1000 rushing yards and over 1000 receiving yards. Craig was a full back, so he was expected to block as well.
Montana made 6 Pro Bowls and as a 3x first team all pro with Craig
Aikman never made an All Pro team.
Smith is better than Craig no doubt, but I think the gap between Montana and Aikman is much bigger.
Greatest QB ever and a triple threat RB that was a finalist for the HOF last year and will eventually get in >>>>3rd/4th best RB and an overrated, not even top 20 QB.
DJRoxalot said 10/07, 02:42 PM
"Aikman was a good QB no doubt, but many say he would have never been in the HOF if it wasn't for Irvin and Smith."
Let us not play that game. Montana may not have been a HOF'er without Jerry Rice or Dwight Clark. Great players play with other GREAT players.
"Montana made 6 Pro Bowls and as a 3x first team all pro with Craig
Aikman never made an All Pro team"
Big deal. Smith made 8 Pro Bowls and 4 All Pro's.
Craig? 4 Pro Bowls and 1 All Pro.
Thats a far bigger discrepancy.
"Greatest QB ever and a triple threat RB that was a finalist for the HOF last year and will eventually get in >>>>3rd/4th best RB and an overrated, not even top 20 QB."
Craig is not a Top 20 RB while Aikman is a Top 20 QB, Outlaw.
And Craig is not a HOF'er. He is 35th all time in yards from scrimmage. And I do not think he gets in. He has been retired since 1993. He does not have many more chances to get in.
Aikman and Smith won 68.8% of their post season games while Montana and Craig won 66.6%.
CuntryBlumpkin said 10/07, 09:21 PM
Actually, Montana was doing his thing before Jerry Rice came along.
Already won 2 Super Bowls as a matter of fact and had already made 3 Pro Bowls.
Some say he was a product of his system, but he would have still been a HOFer without Rice no doubt.
It is a big deal deal that Aikman was never selected to an All Pro team. That means that never at any point in his career was he considered the first, second or third best QB currently playing.
Aikman might have an argument for top 20.
Closer to around 27th to me though.
Montana is widely considered the best QB of all time.
Craig is around the 30th best RB of all time
Smith is third in my book, but most rank him 4th behind Sanders.
Smith is better than Craig, but Montana more than makes up for it with his advantage over Aikman.
You said Aikman and Smith went 11-5 in the playoffs
Montana and Craig went 11-5 in the playoffs, so both are at 68.8
Both duos have 3 Super Bowls.
Both are undefeated in Super Bowls.
It's close, but Montana and Craig are the better duo.
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