- 10/14/2010, 06:58PM ET
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 10/14, 06:58 PM
Sorry for the delay, Cowboy. Pop quiz in last class
As for the TD, this has become the Panic Button Bowl. Whoever loses this is surely hitting the panic button. Once thought to be 2 Super Bowl contenders, someone is going to be screwed after this week
The Vikings will beat the Cowboys on Sunday
Why, you ask?
Well first, I expect a very healthy dose of AP for many reasons
First, Favre is injured. We have all heard about it and they aren't going to want him throwing the ball 40 times
Second, to slow down the pass rush. Nothing slows down Ware and Spencer faster than watching AP blow by them. Then, on play actions, they freeze and watch AP, not wanting to get burnt again.
Third, as we saw last week, Moss helps AP more than people realize. He totaled 88 yards on 18 carries against arguably the best defense in the league last week, so what's he going to do to the Cowboys, who just gave up 130 yards and 2 TDs to Chris Johnson?
And you have to add in Randy Moss. Favre and Co. have had a week of practice with him and he'll be more ingrained into the offense. I expect a huge game from him
Best of luck
CowboyDave said 10/14, 08:07 PM
My pick for the winner is the Dallas Cowboys.
First: The Cowboys have dominated offensive stats such as yards gained, first downs, and time of possession against their opponents.. They have also dominated in penalties incurred. The only stat they haven't dominated is the scoreboard, the most important one. In spite of all the shots to the foot, the Boys had a chance to win every game they played. A reduction of the mistakes, not an elimination will be enough to beat the Vikings.
Second: Favre is injured. The Dallas secondary was exposed in both the Bears and Titans games. The inability of Favre to threaten the Dallas secondary is lessened. Unless Favre shows the ability to hit receivers downfield, Dallas defenders will start crowding the line. Sure, Chris Johnson gained 130 yards against the Cowboys, the bulk of it on one long run.
Third: Tony Romo. He only needs 254 yards to reach 1,600 in five games. Favre needs 739 yards. Clearly the Dallas passing attack ix superior.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 10/14, 11:00 PM
dominated offensive stats
But have they really played good defenses?
Washington - 32nd ranked defense
Chicago - 10th
Houston - 31st
Tennessee - 24th
So yeah, they've dominated bad defenses. They haven't played anyone like the Vikings.
However, let's look who the Vikings played
Saints - 12th
Dolphins - 3rd
Lions - 27th
Jets - 15th
When they played a bad defense (Detroit), they put up 368 total yards.
Favre is injured.
And even an injured Favre put up 264 yards and 3 TDs with a receiver he's had 3 days to practice with.
Imagine what he can do with a receiver like Moss with a week to practice? Moss didn't even play the last 2 minutes because he didn't know the plays.
Dallas' secondary is ripe for the shredding. Favre has the weapons to do it. It's a perfect storm for the Vikings to go off and get on the right track again.
And I haven't even addressed AP. Dallas gives up 100 yards a game and AP averages 120 yards a game.
Every stat leans towards the Vikings winning this game. It's bound to happen
CowboyDave said 10/14, 11:22 PM
I see you made it home safely. Funny how college is about running away, yet going home is so enjoyable. Get used to it, you're on your own now. Learn how to cook and do laundry.
What is this nonsense about playing bad defenses? Are you ranking them before the Cowboys played them or after? As stated previously, the Cowboys toughest opponent has been........the Dallas Cowboys. What happens if that stops, which it will in this case.
Your entire argument is based on the AP running game. Good luck with that. The weakness in the Cowboys defense is the secondary. which you cannot exploit. Basically, you have to count on the Cowboys beating themselves.
Plus the Moss factor. Eludes me, funny how the Pats were so quick to unload him and how so many teams, desperate for a downfield receiver passed on him. Makes me wonder.
My point is a minor reduction in all these goofy mistakes will be enough to beat the Vikings. I see that as plausible. Enjoy your season. Mine has been...well not what was expected.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 10/15, 12:14 PM
weakness in the Cowboys defense is the secondary
Favre is hurt, but he can still play. If you watched MNF last Monday, you saw him much of the 2nd half holding his elbow, but he still threw 3 TDs.
It's not like he needs to go out there and throw a bomb every play. While he'll do that to Moss, Percy Harvin had 97 yards and 2 TDs on Monday with a large chunk of those yards coming after the catch. Short passes across the middle to Percy and watch him work. He's the Vikings Wes Welker
In your first argument, you commented that most of CJ's yards came on one run. That's what we know AP for: his big play ability. And the Vikings have that ability for the big play. They don't rely on it, but they certainly look for it. They did it last year with Sidney Rice and now Moss is taking his place.
Plus the Moss factor
We all know that once Moss wants out of somewhere, he quits. He stops playing. He starts whining. He did it in Minnesota, he did it in Oakland, and he did it in New England. He's in a contract year and is going to play hard to earn probably his last big pay day.
Good TD, CD
CowboyDave said 10/16, 07:12 AM
Both teams have problems causing the 1-3 starts. The team most likely to win this matchup is the one that can find a solution.
Minnesota's loss of Sydney Rice for the first half of the season has proven critical. Favre is finally showing his age, the tendinitis in his elbow is not going away. He has already thrown 7 INT's, his season total for '09.
The problems Dallas has faced are self-inflicted. Penalties and poor communication. It takes them too long to get a play started, allowing opposing defenses to anticipate the snap count. This puts an unfair burden on the Oline. The offense is not balanced; 2/3 passing. Call the play, get up to the line and snap the ball. Have faith in your running game. Simplify your approach.
Injuries and aging are more difficult to resolve than mental mistakes. Dallas will win this game.
Thanks for the debate, rudedog. Enjoy your weekend, except Sunday afternoon. lol
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