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  • 10/17/2010, 06:55PM ET

Fall Classic- Best pitcher not named Halladay still in the postseason.

CuntryBlumpkin (305-247-64) vs Assassin: Simile Next year (69-116-27)
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To me this comes down to two pitchers, one of which I would argue over Halladay, and that pitcher is Cliff Lee of the Texas Rangers.

Cliff has been a monster in the playoffs the last two seasons, the best post season pitcher during this stretch.

Let's look at some numbers.

career Playoff stats

6-0. 1.44 ERA, .781 WHIP, 9:0 K/BB ratio

He turns it on in October, and if I were the Yankees losing game 1, I'd be real nervous about facing Lee for game 2.

He wasn't too shabby for the regular season this year either with a 3.18 ERA and lead the AL in WHIP, BB/9 and K/BB ratio.

Lee might not have won the World Series last year, but he was the pitcher that beat the Yankees for the Phillies' only two wins during the Series.

And already this post season he has shutdown the best regular season team in baseball in the Rays for two games including the deciding game 5, both games were on the road.

Pretty much when you face Cliff Lee in the playoffs, it is an automatic loss.

Good luck Assassin.


Cliff Lee is a very good pick. A great pick actually. But in my opinion there is a different choice then Roy Halladay and my pick has been around the block a couple times before. His numbers are not to shabby either. Actually he is one of the best closers of all time..his name is Mariano Rivera, closing pitcher for the New York Yankees.

Where do I start with this dude..First off I can say he is very skilled.

You state that Cliff Lee has been a monster in the postseason the last two years? If I am not mistaken Mr. Rivera has been good in the postseason ever since he came into the league.

(15) ALDS stats:
2-0
.33 ERA
30 games finished
18 saves
3 runs given up.
6 walks

(9) ALCS stats:
4-0
.96 ERA
25 games finished
13 saves
5 runs given up
7 walks

(7)WS stats:
2-1
.99 ERA
19 games finished.
11 saves
5 runs allowed
8 walks

If that is great I don't know what is. Rivera is a straight up beast of a man and has that factor that no other pitcher has...the intimidation factor. When Hells Bells comes on, the other team knows the night is over.

GL Outlaw


My problem with Rivera is that he is a closer. All he has to do is go out for one inning and protect a lead that the team got earlier in the game.

Cliff Lee has started 7 post season games, and 6-0 with 3 complete games, and in these 7 starts he has ammassed 56.1 innings pitched.

That averages out to over 8 innings a start.

Lee dominates just like Mo, difference is, Lee is also a work horse.

Mo has been in 92 post season games, and averages less than 1.5 inning per appearence.

It is easier to come in and relieve a starter or another reliever than it is to start a game and be effective for 8 innings like Cliff Lee has done.

My next biggest beef with taking Mo over Lee is that Mo is getting old. He is still great, but not as feared as he once was.

The deal is it's hard to call a great closer better than a great starter. The starter is in the game long and works harder.

With Mo, the Yankees have to have a lead of 3 or less to be in the game, Lee is out there for his scheduled start no matter what, and dominates.


I'm not gonna down grade your pick.. but I do have a problem with this statement.

All he has to do is go out for one inning and protect a lead that the team got earlier in the game.

All he has to do? You make it sound so easy and simple. I know you know it isn't so I won't say much on this subject. With a three run lead or less they bring in one of the best closers of all time. He shuts the door (almost) every single time. What makes him so great is the length of time he has been doing it and just his intimidation factor.

Also another point on picking a closer..he can pitch every game of the series if need be. Mo puts the hammer down in every game. Think about this..Mo shuts you down in games 1,2,3 does the other team think they have a chance? They know there gonna be shut down.

You say Mo is getting old.. I can agree to that, but I say he is experienced. He knows what to do in the post season. This is where Mo lives. He eats the WS for breakfast. He wants to be out there. It's where he belongs.

Good TD so far Outlaw


Lee has to face the opposing team's lineup at least 3 times around during his starts. The batters get to view his stuff more times a game, and notice any patterns that he has going on, and they still can't hit him.

Mo on the other hand rarely even sees the entire lineup once.

Honestly, if you were given the choice to take the best post season starter or the best post season closer, you wouldn't take the guy that can throw a complete game and dominate the lineup 3 times around?

I know Mo is a legend and has more post season experience, but he is only useful when the Yankees have a lead of 3 or less runs.

Lee i a great regular season pitcher, but his stuff in the playoffs is topped by none.

Seriously, he has a sub 2 ERA with a WHIP of .781 while facing the best team's in baseball during the most important part of the season is just unbelievable.

I hated Lee as a Phillie, but I love him as a Ranger, and if I were given a chance t have any pitcher in baseball pitch for me in a game 7, I'm taking Cliff Lee, and then going to Bodog and bet my life savings for him to win the game.


Again I'm not here to downgrade Mr. Lee but how many rings does he have? Mo has been clutch in the playoffs since he started in the league. Cliff Lee..has been the playoffs twice. Yes, he has performed out of his **** but Mo has always been there.

In a game seven your team is up by one who are you going to give the ball to? Brian Wilson? I don't think so..I think you are looking for Mr. Rivera. He is the most clutch performer left in the playoffs pitching wise.

With Cliff Lee being as good as he is, I would have total confidence putting C.C Sabathia or Roy Halladay on the mound in a game seven. There are enough Cliff Lee's but there is only one Mariano Rivera.

Rivera doesn't take s#it from anyone. He dominates you and takes his championship ring and puts it next to the other 7 gathering dust in his basement. I would rather have Mo on the mound to close it out, then Cliff Lee starting one.

For how good he is..isn't he bound for one bad game? Mo...not really.

What's your life savings? Three cases of moon shine? lol

Good TD Outlaw

October 17, 2010  06:59 PM ET

"Good luck Assassin"

You'll need it. I dont like this topic very much, think its pretty one sided but lets see what **** can do

October 17, 2010  07:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

"Good luck Assassin"You'll need it. I dont like this topic very much, think its pretty one sided but lets see what **** can do

A Yankees pitcher, another Phillies pitcher and if you can argue a Giants pitcher could have arguments made.

October 17, 2010  07:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

"Good luck Assassin"You'll need it. I dont like this topic very much, think its pretty one sided but lets see what **** can do

I would have argued Lee over Halladay as it is though. Halladay probably should have been availiable.

October 17, 2010  07:12 PM ET

Let's see:

1.) Tim Lincecum
2.) Jonathan Sanchez
3.) Matt Cain
4.) Madison Bumgarner
5.) Brian Wilson

October 17, 2010  07:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Let's see:1.) Tim Lincecum2.) Jonathan Sanchez3.) Matt Cain4.) Madison Bumgarner5.) Brian Wilson

There's an entire different argument brought to the table.

Relievers didn't even cross my mind.

October 17, 2010  07:27 PM ET

I'll get an argument in tonight.

October 17, 2010  07:27 PM ET

I'm gonna take CJ Wilson.

October 17, 2010  07:28 PM ET

Soo.. I can only use postseason stats?

October 17, 2010  07:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

There's an entire different argument brought to the table.Relievers didn't even cross my mind.

Gucci.

October 17, 2010  07:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Soo.. I can only use postseason stats?

It says best pitcher left.

I used some regular season stats, but post season holds more weight for this TD, at least I assume it does.

October 17, 2010  09:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

It says best pitcher left.I used some regular season stats, but post season holds more weight for this TD, at least I assume it does.

Perfection.

October 17, 2010  09:34 PM ET

I might have screwed the pooch letting closers slip my mind.

I'll get to this in the morning.

October 17, 2010  10:08 PM ET

Glab Assassin went with the closer of my choice

October 17, 2010  10:08 PM ET

I'm not a fan of closers being considered better than starters.

October 17, 2010  10:10 PM ET

Always go with the Closer FTW.

October 17, 2010  10:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Always go with the Closer FTW.

You got that right.

October 18, 2010  12:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I'm not a fan of closers being considered better than starters.

In most cases, I'd agree. But for Marino, he's a bit different. I'll still wait on the arguments (as should everybody).

October 18, 2010  11:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I'm not a fan of closers being considered better than starters.

You left it open when you did not specify.

October 18, 2010  11:08 AM ET

You either think it's Lee because he's been doing it as a starter, or you think it's Rivera for his longevity. That's really all this comes down to. The last 3, 4, 5 outs of a game are the hardest to get, no doubt, but unless you have a lead headed into those final outs it's all moot. Cases definitely can be made for both.

 
October 18, 2010  11:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

You left it open when you did not specify.

That was my bad, I misread the topic that I copy and pasted, I thought it said starting pitcher, but I guess it doesn't.

Still, I'll take the best post season starter over the best post season closer any day of the week.

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