- 10/18/2010, 08:59PM ET
PatsFan21 said 10/18, 08:59 PM
The Winter Classic makes its next stop, January 1, 2011, in Pittsburgh. So, where should it go after that.
The only rule is, the host team must not have hosted it before.
When I first read this topic, two teams popped into mind.
These two teams are both Original Six teams. They both are the life of their cities. They are 2 of the most storied franchises in the history of the league.
My Choice is: The Montreal Canadiens at the Toronto Maple Leafs.
This is taking rivalries in the classic to a whole new level. This is one of, if not the biggest, rivalries in the sport. Nothing makes Leafs fans happier than watching their team beat the Canadiens and vice versa.
Both of these teams are the biggest franchise in their city. You cant say that for almost any other team in the NHL.
These teams are Original 6 teams and that is great for marketing. You can have the teams wearing old time jerseys and have a pre-game ceremony honoring old time greats.
The Winter Classic is about building popularity and league exposure. There arent many mroe marketable teams than the Leafs and Habs.
An Original 6 showdown on New Year's Day is just what the NHL needs.
ColoNative said 10/19, 07:56 AM
In 2012 the Winter Classic should:
1. Be in the United States
2. Be a match between two teams from the Western Conference
3. Be an American based team vs. a Canadian based team
The 2012 Winter Classic should be in Denver, Invesco Field, Avalanche vs Vancouver Canucks.
1. Your idea about having BOTH teams from Canada is awful. As you state, the Winter Classic is about building popularity and exposure. Having both teams from Canada does not appeal to the average American fan.
2. Both of your teams are in the Eastern Conference. Of the four times that this event has taken place, 3 have featured teams from the Eastern Conference and the furthest west that the game has come is Chicago. If the purpose of the game is to expand its appeal, then the game needs to feature teams from the Western Conference and move further to the western part of the US - Denver/Avalanche vs. Vancouver is perfect.
3. Although the NHL is not the Winter Olympics, the USA vs Canada game in the 2010 Olympics was huge. The NHL can go to that well again for the Winter Classic and market to casual fans that remember the Olympics.
My choice appeals to more fans and increase exposure.
PatsFan21 said 10/19, 09:00 PM
A few reasons for it to be in Canada:
A) It has never made a visit to Canada before and I'm not counting the Heritage Classic.
B) Canada is the birthplace of hockey and these are its 2 original teams.
C) The marketability of the this game would be amazing. You have 2 of the most storied franchises in hockey going at it. You get to show fans, what a truly amazing history hockey has. What is a huge reason for baseball's popularity? It's history. If the NHL can show the public it, too has a great history it could pay great divedends for the game.
In this game you also have young emerging stars, Schenn and Lars Eller for the respective clubs are up and coming prospects. You also have a marketable current stars like Dion Phaneuf and Scott Gomez, an American born player.
You never made clear which game you are picking. I'm assuming its Colorado against Vancouver. What do you have to market in Colorado? The team has no stars and isnt even the most popular team in its city. In wouldnt even be the talk of the city! I guarantee Denver fans would be more concerned with a Broncos potential playoff game.
You simply have more to market in a Toronto-Montreal game.
ColoNative said 10/20, 07:31 AM
There is no way that two Canadian teams is more marketable than a US team vs. a Canadian team. As an American, casual hockey fan, I am not interested in the game if it is Canada, with no American teams.
Bring the game to Denver and have the Avalanche play the Canucks - I would watch that game. BTW, if you read my first argument you will see that I clearly stated that my choice is the Avalanche vs. the Canucks.
Although hockey may have great history, the Winter Classic is more about spectacle than it is about history The purpose of spectacle is to appeal to the masses. Thus, the game should be held in an area that captures the larger audience that would not normally watch a hockey game.
Hockey fans will watch this game whether it is played in Canada or the US. The purpose of this game is to gain the interest of non-hockey fans - grow the overall fan base of the NHL.
Having the game in Canada will not greatly increase the interest in Canada - that interest already exists.
Having the game in the US can only help the NHL's cause - increase the fan base.
USA team vs. Canadian team appeals to more people than two Canadian teams.
PatsFan21 said 10/20, 09:48 PM
Your contradicting yourself here.
First, you say the game has to be in the US or there will be no interest. Then you changed it to, it doesnt matter where the game is played.
Did you not read the history part of my argument? If you did, you would understand that the Winter Classic is not about history, its about broadcasting the greatness of the game. The NHL should take notes from the MLB, whose most powerful advertising chip is its history. The NHL has great history. It can show that by putting 2 of its Original 6 teams on Nat'l TV.
Again, what is marketable about Colorado? They cant even get their own fans to watch their games. They were 27th in the NHL in attendence. Leafs? 6th. They have marketability. There are star players from both countries in my game. The same cant be said about yours.
Colorado isnt even the most popular team in its city. The Nuggets, Rockies, and Broncos get better ratings than them. The Canadiens and Leafs are the life of their cities.
Finally, you have a better stadium option in Toronto. Rogers Centre holds more fans than Coors and is a bigger field surface.
The Classic is about marketing, and my game simply has better marketability.
ColoNative said 10/21, 07:42 AM
Ok - to address your arguments:
1. I do not contradict myself - my point is that Hockey is already huge in Canada. The NHL needs to work on its US fan base. Relative to my choice - having the game in Canada, with two Canadian teams, does very little for the US fan base.
2. You contradict yourself. You state, "the Winter Classic is not about history...", then go on to assert that your choice emphasizes the history of the NHL and then you follow with an absurd statement about MLB.
A. The marketability of the Winter Classic is more important than having 2 of the original 6.
B. MLB's most powerful marketing chip are its star players, not its history.
3. You state, "Again, what is marketable about Colorado?" I am not going to waste space on Colorado marketability - it is too obvious.
4. You assert that Rogers Centre is better than/holds more than Coors Field. Again, you have failed to read my first argument I clearly state that the Winter Classic should be at Invesco Field.
Both of my teams made the playoffs last year = competitive game.
The game should be in the US - USA vs Canada = marketability.
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