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  • 10/27/2010, 03:04PM ET

If healthy Mike Vick still should not start vs the Colts!!!

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Head coach Andy Reid has already said if he is healthy enough to go Mike Vick will start start their next game......

I strongly disagree with naming Vick the starter



Prior to the start of this season the Eagles signed Kolb to a one year extension and traded away the franchises greatest qb of all time.

In doing those two things the Eagles made a commitment to Kolb and to be honest they need to stick with the plan. In my opinion he was never given enough time to prove whether he should keep or lose the job.

Kolb got hurt in the second quarter of the very first game of the season. Had he been doing great up to that point? No but is it enough for him to lose his job? No it shouldnt be



Since taking back over for Vick in the middle of the Skins game he has helped

keep them in the Skins game
lead them to a win vs the 49ers
lead them to a win vs the Falcons

He did not have a great game vs the Titans but everyone has a bad game here and there. Plus it was vs a defense that leads the NFL in turnovers created and has given up the 7th lowest amount of points.


Start Kolb the experience could be key to Kolb's and the Eagles future


Let's jump right into it and look at the stats each guy has put up in essentially the same amount of work.

Kolb - 4 games, 1,035 yards, 6 TDs, 4 INTs; 10 rushes, 57 yards
Vick - 3.5 games, 799 yards, 6 TDs, 0 INTs; 26 rushes, 187 yards, 1 TD

While Vick hasn't been as proficient a passer, he's a multi-threat QB who gives them a chance to win right now. He makes less mistakes and makes defenses game plan for more than just throwing the ball.

You're argument that Kolb hasn't had time to prove himself doesn't make sense to me because Kolb has actually played more than Vick.

And looking at the game, which team looked better? The team that 17 (half of the Packers game), 35, and 28 points or the team with Kolb that's put up 3, 12, 27, 31, and 19?

I think it's a clear consensus that with Vick, the Eagles look better and are a better team.

Now it becomes a question of what you brought up, which is the fact they committed to Kolb this offseason.

But football is a business. From a business standpoint, do you want a young guy who may or may not be the future of your team or stick with someone that WILL win you games the rest of this season?

Good luck Chosen


Lets talk about Kolb's full starts

49ers= 2 passing/rushing tds and 2 field goals
Falcons= 4 passing/rushing tds and 1 field goal
Titans= 1 passing/rushing td and 4 field goals

He kept them in a position to win vs the 49ers and the Falcons and they did win



So because he had a bad half vs the Packers he should lose his job? NO

So because he had a bad game vs the Titans who give up the 3rd least amount of points per game he should lose his job? NO



You toss out numbers and stats but fail to point out that Kolb has played in

3 quarters and one play vs the Redskins
4 quarters vs the Falcons
4 quarters vs the Titans

Those 3 teams are all in the top 10 for least points given up per game

Who has Vick went against that was in the top 10? Nobody

Unless you count the 1 play shy of a quarter vs the Skins that the Eagles scored 0 points during.


So they should abandon the guy who was called the current and the future of the team because Vick did good against the Lions, Jaguars and for one half the Packers? NO

This will be Matt Schaub all over again the better qb sits behind Vick and leaves town first chance he gets.

Let Kolb play......


No faith in Vick, eh?

First, Kolb won't turn into Matt Schaub because Vick will be gone after this year and Kolb has his shot.

It's pretty much a consensus that Kolb will be QB next year and Vick will be gone. So why not ride the QB that's looked more impressive.

Vick faced slightly tougher pass defenses and looked more impressive.

And it's not just about the stats. Vick has looked as impressive in the pocket as Kolb and can also run the ball. As I said earlier, he has almost 200 yards rushing in just 2.75 games. With Vick in the game, defenses can't just drop back on passing downs because Vick will take off on them.

And also, Vick can give you the big plays that Kolb hasn't shown.

With Vick in, here's some of the Eagles big plays

GNB
Vick 31-yard run
DET
45-yard TD pass Jackson
McCoy 46-yard TD
Jackson 53-yard catch
JAC
Jackson 61-yard TD catch
Maclin 45-yard TD catch

It's a more explosive, dynamic offense with Vick in the game. He brings things to the table that Kolb can not. This year, Vick is just as good a passer as Kolb, but can run too. Why wouldn't you put Vick in the game, especially against a banged up Colts D.

MTC


Take a look at the games where each qb played at least 3 quarters

Mike Vick

Jaguars given up 16 passing tds and have only 4 ints and 12 sacks
Lions given up 10 passing tds and have 7 ints and 16 sacks


Kevin Kolb

Skins given up 10 passing tds and have 8 ints and 17 sacks
49ers have given up 11 passing tds and have 7 ints and 13 sacks
Falcons have given up 11 passing tds but have 11 ints and 15 sacks
Titans have given up 7 passing tds and have 12 ints and 25 ints

The Titans are by far the best defense the Eagles have went against when it comes to keeping teams out of the end zone, creating pressure and causing turnovers.





I say that 83 yard Kolb td pass says big play potential is there. What Kolb needs is to build chemistry and get game experience and that wont happen on the bench.

He showed vs the 49ers and Falcons that he can give them a chance to win. They cleared the path for Kolb and now they need to stick with the plan.


This is getting out of hand, so I'm going to keep it short and sweet.

Titans are by far the best defense the Eagles have went against

And in that game, Kolb went 26-48 for 231 yards and 1 TD with 2 INTs. So you're telling me someone with that stat line is the best player to put on the field to lead your team?

As for the Colts, despite only giving up 1200 passing yards this season (207 per game), they've only had 5 INTs and 11 sacks, both near the bottom of the league.

And when you talk about Vick, you have to talk about rushing, and the Colts are 26th in the league against the rush.

So a bad pass rush and a bad rush defense. Both of which are something Vick can exploit. Their defense is shaky with injuries.

Vick is the starter that gives this team a chance to win right now, which is what the Eagles need to worry about

Good TD Chosen, as always

October 27, 2010  03:13 PM ET

Nope. He gives them a dual threat and the best chance to win right now.

October 27, 2010  03:14 PM ET

"In doing those two things the Eagles made a commitment to Kolb and to be honest they need to stick with the plan."

They made a 1 year commitment to him. That is it.

October 27, 2010  03:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

"In doing those two things the Eagles made a commitment to Kolb and to be honest they need to stick with the plan."They made a 1 year commitment to him. That is it.

no actually its a 2 year commitment...

1 year this season giving him starting experience to get through the ups and downs that newly starting qbs often times go through

2nd year next season to show whether or not he has progressed and is worthy of going further in to the future with

October 27, 2010  03:24 PM ET
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Nope. He gives them a dual threat and the best chance to win right now.

why because Vick played a couple good games?

He played good in game one brought them back close but still they lost

second game he played good in and they won

third game he played good in and they won

fourth game he was losing when he went out of the game vs the Skins


so what if Vick puts up some bad games do they then pull him? you have to show consistency if they keep jerking a young qb in and out of games it often times messes up their confidence

October 27, 2010  03:24 PM ET

Open Challenge to ANYBODY:

Took the day off work (been working too much lately) and wanna get my TD on. Hit me up if you have topics. Rapidly running out of them.

NBA, NFL, some MLB and MMA

October 27, 2010  03:32 PM ET
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fourth game he was losing when he went out of the game vs the Skins

the play he was hurt on, he was diving into the endzone to tie the game in the 1st quarter

October 27, 2010  03:56 PM ET
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the play he was hurt on, he was diving into the endzone to tie the game in the 1st quarter

ummm actually no he wasnt...

I watched the game seeing as how I watch every Skins game and the game went

Eagles punt- Vick still in
Redskins touchdown- Vick had not went out yet
Eagles punt- Vick still in
Redskins touchdown- Vick had not went out yet

Eagles on 3rd and kind of long Vick scrambles for a run gets hurt trying to dive in to the endzone.... there was a hold on the play so the play got called back making it 3rd and really long. Kolb comes in completes a short pass making it 4th and long the eagles kick and make like a 49 or 50 yard field goal

it was 14 to 0 when Vick got hurt and was now facing a possible 3rd straight 3 and out

October 27, 2010  03:58 PM ET
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ummm actually no he wasnt...I watched the game seeing as how I watch every Skins game and the game wentEagles punt- Vick still inRedskins touchdown- Vick had not went out yetEagles punt- Vick still inRedskins touchdown- Vick had not went out yetEagles on 3rd and kind of long Vick scrambles for a run gets hurt trying to dive in to the endzone.... there was a hold on the play so the play got called back making it 3rd and really long. Kolb comes in completes a short pass making it 4th and long the eagles kick and make like a 49 or 50 yard field goalit was 14 to 0 when Vick got hurt and was now facing a possible 3rd straight 3 and out

My bad. I knew it was a close game.

Either way, it wasn't like they were being blown out. I would still want him over Kolb

October 27, 2010  04:02 PM ET
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My bad. I knew it was a close game.Either way, it wasn't like they were being blown out. I would still want him over Kolb

if the skins offense could play a full game they wouldve got blown out even with Vick in....

Skins so far have only been able to play one and two quarter games on offense

October 27, 2010  04:25 PM ET

*Getting the Popcorn and watching NFL Live while this gets going*

October 27, 2010  09:04 PM ET
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*Getting the Popcorn and watching NFL Live while this gets going*

Bump

October 27, 2010  09:17 PM ET

When this season started I was prepared to support Kevin Kolb. And I still believe he's the better option for the team... especially long-term.

October 27, 2010  09:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Open Challenge to ANYBODY:Took the day off work (been working too much lately) and wanna get my TD on. Hit me up if you have topics. Rapidly running out of them. NBA, NFL, some MLB and MMA

Your boss wants a word with you first thing in the morning.

October 27, 2010  09:55 PM ET
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Your boss wants a word with you first thing in the morning.

lmao... TD Wh0res and their "priorities".

October 27, 2010  10:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Your boss wants a word with you first thing in the morning.

Nope....

October 28, 2010  01:05 PM ET

bump

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October 28, 2010  04:16 PM ET

"Vick faced slightly tougher pass defenses and looked more impressive."

Rude did you really just say that? That is definitely false

October 28, 2010  04:19 PM ET
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"Vick faced slightly tougher pass defenses and looked more impressive."Rude did you really just say that? That is definitely false

Which part?

The pass defenses were close, but I think he looked more impressive

 
October 28, 2010  04:34 PM ET

IMO, if you were to ask the Eagles receivers, something tells me they would prefer Vick over Kolb.

I know Desean Jackson would.

And I bet the O-line would too.

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