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  • 11/06/2010, 08:07PM ET

Is Sidney Crosby a punk?

Darth Steve (0-1-0) vs Serial Dex (85-39-9)
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Yes.

He is incredibly talented, but he has a habit of resorting to cheap shots when his team gets outplayed.

His latest incidents are his "fight" with Niskanen which was more jersey yanking than punching. (Although Sid did land a few) And his hissy fit with Getzlaf.



Notice @ 0:04 when Sid misses his attempted knee on Lydman. Sid clearly sticks his left knee out towards Lydman. Anyone who denies this is a blind homer. Then after a clean check by Getzlaf, Sid tackles him, which is fine, but while yapping he gives Getz a patented cross check.

Why "patented"? See below.



Notice @ 0:42 Sid gives Zetterberg 4 or 5 good ones then 1 more after the whistle.

Does Sid really have to resort to such punk A.ss behavior?

I have more examples for later arguments.

You're better than that Sidney. Why don't you stat acting like it. I'm just one guy calling it like I see it.

If you take this, please try to defend Sid's actions, not just talk about what other players have done.

And please let's keep it civil. Thanks


Crybaby
Cheap shot artist
Talented
Whiner
Gifted

These words can all be applied to Crosby. Punk isn't really one of them.

1. Punk: Slang
a. A young person, especially a member of a rebellious counterculture group.
b. An inexperienced young man.
2. Punk: Music
a. Punk rock.
b. A punk rocker.

I don't think those fit Sid.

As for the behaviors:

The fight with Niskanen is irrelevant. Niskanen decided to dance with Sid. It isn't like Sid was whaling on the guy as he turtled. The Pens are struggling and Sid stepped up to show his team that things need to change. When the Captain and most talented player on the team (perhaps, unless you vote Malkin) resorts to fighting, you know the team needs motivation. He was trying to light a fire under his team's butt. We have seen it before from other players, why not Sid?

As for the cross checking, that too gets done during frustration. Sid is going after the other teams' best players (perhaps). Getzlaf and Zetterberg are big guns. Sid is trying to throw them off their game and/or trying to get them to do something stupid back.


Your last point holds some water in the Getz incident, but the Zett one was in the last 12 sec of the last meeting of the season. That one was pure cheap.

Who remembers this class act? See comment 56 for video.

2:59 left in a 4-1 loss. Sid gets 19 PIM for this one including instigator and unsportsmanlike.

Don't take my word for it. Check out this article on ThePensBlog.

http://tinyurl.com/26uk6mg

As is the case with all great players, they are constantly hounded, sticked, hooked, speared, etc. Is that a built-in excuse for some of Crosby's dirty plays? Most likely. But you'll be hard-pressed to find multiple clips of dudes like Kane and Toews doing this kind of stuff.

I really don't care if Sid plays this way, but be honest about it. Avery, Ott, Cooke, Borrows, etc. don't lie about who they are. Sid is head, shoulders, waist & feet above those guys, but they aren't trying to fool anyone. Be the most talented sandpaper guy in the league, but don't claim innocence.

When did Mario, Wayne or Stevie Y do anything like this?

See comment 56 for video.

Mmmm. That's classy.


You can't compare Sid to guys like Ott or Avery. They are completely different players. Their actions are also completely different.

Once every 20 games or so, Crosby does something stupid. Fully acknowledged. I hate the guy myself, but you can't call him a dirty player becasue he does something dirty once or twice a season. And yes, he only does something dirty that often.

The fight vs Niskanen: Not dirty at all. I was glad to see him step up.

The tackle/jabbing of Getzlaf: Not dirty at all. Plays like that happen a dozen times a game.

The attempted knee: Dirty. Uncalled for.

The Zetterberg thing: Not dirty at all. Frustration, anger, stupidity, etc... sure. But it isn't dirty. He is right there in the scrum of 10 guys. He started it and was willing to finish it.

You are trying to paint him as evil/cheap with 4 incidents and only 1 of them was cheap/dirty. The rest of them are pretty much hockey plays.

You also can't compare players today to players of years past. Times change. People change. The game changes.

You are taking


If Sid did all these things out of retaliation for wrongs he received then fine, but they're not.

They are acts of instigation from a frustrated Superstar who still has some maturing to do.

Dex you've been great during this TD and you have my respect if you want it.

Is it too much to ask that the stars we've been given as hockey fans offer us the level of integrity we desire? Avery, Ott, etc. are sandpaper D-baggers that most teams employ. I accept their role as do they. Sid is not one of them truly, but he occasionally steals from their playbook.

If you're going to stand up for yourself then do it like a man. If you're going to let a teammate do it then fine also. Gretzky had Semenko and Yzerman had Probert. There is no shame in that. Embrace who you are or change it for the better.

Sid can't be all things to all people, but he can be honest. If he had said "I was frustrated about our level of play and I was trying to light a fire." Then kudos.

But he said "I didn't deserve 20 minutes for that." Grow a pair and take responsibility.

Sidney Cosby crosses over into the land of cheap, punk player too often for my taste.

Again thanks Dex.


"Gretzky had Semenko and Yzerman had Probert. There is no shame in that. Embrace who you are or change it for the better."

This is different than letting a goon protect you. This is different than an enforcer punishing you for hitting their star. For years, lots of people gave Iginla credit for leading by example. He was one of Calgary's "tough guys" because he would fight if he needed to, play the body and score goals. If Sid tries, he is cheap?

Sid is doing these things for 1 of 2 reasons. He is either tryin to send a message to his own teammates during times of malaise, or he is frustrated and acting out of anger because of that malaise.

Either way, they don't make him like Avery or Ott. Those guys are tasked with the job of agitator. They are supposed to try and bait guys into penalties. They are supposed to agitate stars and get in goalies' heads. That isn't what Sid is doing.

Sid hates to lose (like most people) and when he loses, he gets angry and acts out. Most of the time when guys like Avery or Ott do it, their behavior is targeted and calculated.

Sid isn't very "logical" in his behavior, so you can't say he is doing these things on purpose.

November 6, 2010  08:29 PM ET

I'm not concerned with winning or losing. I just want to use this forum to showcase what has become too childish to ignore anymore.

November 6, 2010  08:33 PM ET

Civil? On a TD? Come on now. 2 thoughts.

1.) Yes, Crosby can be a punk at times.
2.) Getzlaf deserves pretty much anything coming his way.

The spotlight gets thrown on Crosby because he's so good. Really though, in terms of being a punk, he wouldn't even crack the top 25 for the NHL. There's some real goons out there.

November 6, 2010  08:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'm not concerned with winning or losing. I just want to use this forum to showcase what has become too childish to ignore anymore.

Please. Neither one of those videos show anything whatsoever. You highlight his incident with Getzlaf as if it actually means something. What's the problem with that?

And Jimmy Howard, as far as that video shows, went after Crosby, not vice-versa. So wouldn't it be fair to say that Howard is a punk?

Come on. People hate on Sid because he is the best player in the world. Instead of looking for reasons to hate him, why don't you show a little respect.

November 6, 2010  08:48 PM ET

Its funny, Sidney Crosby plays more like a "European" while Ovechkin plays a more "Canadian" brand of hockey

November 6, 2010  08:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Really though, in terms of being a punk, he wouldn't even crack the top 25 for the NHL. There's some real goons out there.

Punks are different from goons in my opinion. Sean Avery is a punk not a goon, George Laraque was a goon

November 6, 2010  09:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Please. Neither one of those videos show anything whatsoever. You highlight his incident with Getzlaf as if it actually means something. What's the problem with that?And Jimmy Howard, as far as that video shows, went after Crosby, not vice-versa. So wouldn't it be fair to say that Howard is a punk?Come on. People hate on Sid because he is the best player in the world. Instead of looking for reasons to hate him, why don't you show a little respect.

The second video was to showcase his unprovoked cross check attack on Zetterberg. Howard had every right to step up for his team mate after that.

And the Getzlaf incident shows another cheap cross check. If they were isolated incidents then your point would be valid, but I will show in subsequent arguments that they are not isolated, but part of a pattern of cheap, childish behavior.

By the way, I agree that Sid is definitely one of the most talented offensive players on the planet.

November 6, 2010  09:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Please. Neither one of those videos show anything whatsoever. You highlight his incident with Getzlaf as if it actually means something. What's the problem with that?And Jimmy Howard, as far as that video shows, went after Crosby, not vice-versa. So wouldn't it be fair to say that Howard is a punk?Come on. People hate on Sid because he is the best player in the world. Instead of looking for reasons to hate him, why don't you show a little respect.

I also notice you made no excuse for the attempted knee on Lydman.


Interesting.

November 6, 2010  10:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

The second video was to showcase his unprovoked cross check attack on Zetterberg. Howard had every right to step up for his team mate after that.And the Getzlaf incident shows another cheap cross check. If they were isolated incidents then your point would be valid, but I will show in subsequent arguments that they are not isolated, but part of a pattern of cheap, childish behavior.By the way, I agree that Sid is definitely one of the most talented offensive players on the planet.

To call Crosby a cheap player is simply insane.

November 6, 2010  11:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

The second video was to showcase his unprovoked cross check attack on Zetterberg. And the Getzlaf incident shows another cheap cross check.

If you think the occasional cross-check isn't committed by every hockey player in history, you need to watch more hockey. You can dislike Sid and the Pens all you like, but this kind of childish ignorance about the game doesn't help your hockey credibility.

November 6, 2010  11:53 PM ET

My guess is that Darth Steve is a Wings fan. I live in Michigan and the sour grapes and whining that most red wings fans spew forth about Crosby is nothing short of pathetic.

Then again, we have Datsyuk, the most gentlemanly (and possibly talented - yeah, I said it) hockey player ever to put on skates, so I guess Crosby looks rather uncouth in comparison.

November 7, 2010  01:47 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Its funny, Sidney Crosby plays more like a "European" while Ovechkin plays a more "Canadian" brand of hockey

Crosby may be a punk, but Ovechkin is flat out dirty.

November 7, 2010  11:14 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

To call Crosby a cheap player is simply insane.

What would you call beligerently cross checking the guy who not only shut you down that night, but also made you a -2. And doing it in the last 12 seconds of a clearly decided game.

That my friend is the definition of cheap. Or he could have been a man about it and waited for the next meeting and try to play better.

To Veovis,

You are correct. I am a Wings fan who lives in So Cal. But I have no sour grapes bout the '09 Finals. The Pens won back to back 1 goal games to win the Cup. The out played the Wings in game 7. At least Max Talbot did.

November 7, 2010  12:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Please. Neither one of those videos show anything whatsoever. You highlight his incident with Getzlaf as if it actually means something. What's the problem with that?And Jimmy Howard, as far as that video shows, went after Crosby, not vice-versa. So wouldn't it be fair to say that Howard is a punk?Come on. People hate on Sid because he is the best player in the world. Instead of looking for reasons to hate him, why don't you show a little respect.

Blind Homerism!

November 7, 2010  12:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

To call Crosby a cheap player is simply insane.

I've been saying it to you since last spring. WAKE UP!

November 7, 2010  12:25 PM ET

I'd like to see MMT defend this animal!

November 7, 2010  02:28 PM ET

crosby's attempted hit on lydman- dirty
crosby's tackle on getzlaf- lame and dirty
crosby's crosscheck on getzlaf-punk
crosby's crosschecks on zetterberg- punk

dudes a pansy

November 7, 2010  03:15 PM ET
QUOTE(#25):

Crosby's tackle on getzlaf- lame and dirty

How can a "tackle" during a small scrum be dirty?

November 7, 2010  03:19 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Civil? On a TD? Come on now. 2 thoughts.1.) Yes, Crosby can be a punk at times.2.) Getzlaf deserves pretty much anything coming his way.The spotlight gets thrown on Crosby because he's so good. Really though, in terms of being a punk, he wouldn't even crack the top 25 for the NHL. There's some real goons out there.

LMAO!!! HA!

I agree, there are a ton of players that deserve to be at the fore-front of this argument, but to center out Crosby, is a little silly.

The biggest punk is Sean Avery! Too bad he wastes most of his talents not putting the puck in the net, as he is capable of playing the game!

November 7, 2010  03:22 PM ET
QUOTE:

When the Captain and most talented player on the team (perhaps, unless you vote Malkin) resorts to fighting, you know the team needs motivation.That is EXACTLY what I saw. Crosby has never been one to fight much, and he WAS sending a message, message sent!

Yup, and I thought it was time! He's a leader, and that was a way of showing his team "Hey guys, do I have to punch someone to get you to play????" leadership. I loved it. Nice move Crosby!

I'm no moronic homer either!

 
November 7, 2010  04:47 PM ET

Solid open Dex. I will post my 2nd Monday morning.

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