- 11/06/2010, 08:07PM ET
Darth Steve said 11/06, 08:19 PM
He is incredibly talented, but he has a habit of resorting to cheap shots when his team gets outplayed.
His latest incidents are his "fight" with Niskanen which was more jersey yanking than punching. (Although Sid did land a few) And his hissy fit with Getzlaf.
Notice @ 0:04 when Sid misses his attempted knee on Lydman. Sid clearly sticks his left knee out towards Lydman. Anyone who denies this is a blind homer. Then after a clean check by Getzlaf, Sid tackles him, which is fine, but while yapping he gives Getz a patented cross check.
Why "patented"? See below.
Notice @ 0:42 Sid gives Zetterberg 4 or 5 good ones then 1 more after the whistle.
Does Sid really have to resort to such punk A.ss behavior?
I have more examples for later arguments.
You're better than that Sidney. Why don't you stat acting like it. I'm just one guy calling it like I see it.
If you take this, please try to defend Sid's actions, not just talk about what other players have done.
And please let's keep it civil. Thanks
Serial Dex said 11/07, 12:50 PM
Cheap shot artist
These words can all be applied to Crosby. Punk isn't really one of them.
1. Punk: Slang
a. A young person, especially a member of a rebellious counterculture group.
b. An inexperienced young man.
2. Punk: Music
a. Punk rock.
b. A punk rocker.
I don't think those fit Sid.
As for the behaviors:
The fight with Niskanen is irrelevant. Niskanen decided to dance with Sid. It isn't like Sid was whaling on the guy as he turtled. The Pens are struggling and Sid stepped up to show his team that things need to change. When the Captain and most talented player on the team (perhaps, unless you vote Malkin) resorts to fighting, you know the team needs motivation. He was trying to light a fire under his team's butt. We have seen it before from other players, why not Sid?
As for the cross checking, that too gets done during frustration. Sid is going after the other teams' best players (perhaps). Getzlaf and Zetterberg are big guns. Sid is trying to throw them off their game and/or trying to get them to do something stupid back.
Darth Steve said 11/08, 11:03 AM
Your last point holds some water in the Getz incident, but the Zett one was in the last 12 sec of the last meeting of the season. That one was pure cheap.
Who remembers this class act? See comment 56 for video.
2:59 left in a 4-1 loss. Sid gets 19 PIM for this one including instigator and unsportsmanlike.
Don't take my word for it. Check out this article on ThePensBlog.
As is the case with all great players, they are constantly hounded, sticked, hooked, speared, etc. Is that a built-in excuse for some of Crosby's dirty plays? Most likely. But you'll be hard-pressed to find multiple clips of dudes like Kane and Toews doing this kind of stuff.
I really don't care if Sid plays this way, but be honest about it. Avery, Ott, Cooke, Borrows, etc. don't lie about who they are. Sid is head, shoulders, waist & feet above those guys, but they aren't trying to fool anyone. Be the most talented sandpaper guy in the league, but don't claim innocence.
When did Mario, Wayne or Stevie Y do anything like this?
See comment 56 for video.
Mmmm. That's classy.
Serial Dex said 11/08, 02:27 PM
You can't compare Sid to guys like Ott or Avery. They are completely different players. Their actions are also completely different.
Once every 20 games or so, Crosby does something stupid. Fully acknowledged. I hate the guy myself, but you can't call him a dirty player becasue he does something dirty once or twice a season. And yes, he only does something dirty that often.
The fight vs Niskanen: Not dirty at all. I was glad to see him step up.
The tackle/jabbing of Getzlaf: Not dirty at all. Plays like that happen a dozen times a game.
The attempted knee: Dirty. Uncalled for.
The Zetterberg thing: Not dirty at all. Frustration, anger, stupidity, etc... sure. But it isn't dirty. He is right there in the scrum of 10 guys. He started it and was willing to finish it.
You are trying to paint him as evil/cheap with 4 incidents and only 1 of them was cheap/dirty. The rest of them are pretty much hockey plays.
You also can't compare players today to players of years past. Times change. People change. The game changes.
You are taking
Darth Steve said 11/08, 02:49 PM
If Sid did all these things out of retaliation for wrongs he received then fine, but they're not.
They are acts of instigation from a frustrated Superstar who still has some maturing to do.
Dex you've been great during this TD and you have my respect if you want it.
Is it too much to ask that the stars we've been given as hockey fans offer us the level of integrity we desire? Avery, Ott, etc. are sandpaper D-baggers that most teams employ. I accept their role as do they. Sid is not one of them truly, but he occasionally steals from their playbook.
If you're going to stand up for yourself then do it like a man. If you're going to let a teammate do it then fine also. Gretzky had Semenko and Yzerman had Probert. There is no shame in that. Embrace who you are or change it for the better.
Sid can't be all things to all people, but he can be honest. If he had said "I was frustrated about our level of play and I was trying to light a fire." Then kudos.
But he said "I didn't deserve 20 minutes for that." Grow a pair and take responsibility.
Sidney Cosby crosses over into the land of cheap, punk player too often for my taste.
Again thanks Dex.
Serial Dex said 11/08, 05:18 PM
"Gretzky had Semenko and Yzerman had Probert. There is no shame in that. Embrace who you are or change it for the better."
This is different than letting a goon protect you. This is different than an enforcer punishing you for hitting their star. For years, lots of people gave Iginla credit for leading by example. He was one of Calgary's "tough guys" because he would fight if he needed to, play the body and score goals. If Sid tries, he is cheap?
Sid is doing these things for 1 of 2 reasons. He is either tryin to send a message to his own teammates during times of malaise, or he is frustrated and acting out of anger because of that malaise.
Either way, they don't make him like Avery or Ott. Those guys are tasked with the job of agitator. They are supposed to try and bait guys into penalties. They are supposed to agitate stars and get in goalies' heads. That isn't what Sid is doing.
Sid hates to lose (like most people) and when he loses, he gets angry and acts out. Most of the time when guys like Avery or Ott do it, their behavior is targeted and calculated.
Sid isn't very "logical" in his behavior, so you can't say he is doing these things on purpose.
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