- 11/09/2010, 02:07PM ET
Bear likes this DEFENSE said 11/09, 02:07 PM
3. jon gruden
-overrated as a coach. yeah, you heard me. won the SB w/ dungy's "D"...ran team to ground by refusing to think long term and replace aging vets
-lowest win% & fewest wins of these 3,
-worst playoff record of these 3
-hasnt shown he can be a long term success
after 2 8-8 seasons in oak he has 2 good years then leaves for Bucs
after the SB win he never wins another playoff game
-might be better suited for a college team?
2. mike holmgren
-has a much longer history of accomplishments than gruden
-probably has best eyes for player/personnel decisions of these 3, but isnt a long term solution
-wasnt as effective in reg season or p-offs w/o Favre
1. bill cowher
-9 years younger than Holmgren
-in less years has almost more wins than holmgren + better win % + only 1 playoff win behind
-isnt a journeyman coach, always looking for a change
-walks in day 1 with the ability to get along and relate with the dez bryant....the billionaire owner... the QB....and the janitor
-of these 3 i think he is BEST equopped to turn an avg player to a good player...& good player into a great player
-won a SB in year he had 3 Qbs start games(even tommy maddox)
Save_Me_Jebus: Hello Mr. Luck said 11/09, 02:29 PM
I don't think any of the three mentioned will be the next HC in Dallas.
Here is my order;
3: Mike Holmgren:
Rumors persist that he wants to get back into coaching and if it's true I expect Mangini to get fired and Holmgren to coach in Cleveland. A few of the players on Cleveland's roster were selected by Holmgren. Colt McCoy is his guy. Holmgren would not be able to change the culture in Dallas like he has in Cleveland. If he coaches, he's coaching the Browns.
2: Bill Cowher:
Cowher, as per Jerome Bettis would like to have full control over the team, as long as Jerry Jones stays on as GM, that won't happen in Dallas. Cowher would be a good choice, but he would want things done a certain way. If Cowher comes back, it will be closer to home. (Hello.... Carolina)
1: Jon Gruden:
You're reasoning why he should be 3rd is why he should be first. Gruden has a good track record and is the youngest of the 3. Plus, LeBron thinks Guden should be.
Gruden showed he can work with Al Davis, so working with Jerry shouldn't be that hard for him.
I think Mike Zimmer, D-Co-ordinator for the Bengals will be the next coach in Dallas
Bear likes this DEFENSE said 11/09, 03:39 PM
1st...being on staff w/ the bengals makes you more qualified to be a criminal defense attorney than coach.
Zimmer has never been a head coach and I doubt Jerry Jones would take such a risk w/ an unproven guy in a time of crisis. hell, he might as well stick with jason garrett of he wants to go that route!
jerry jones pretty much gave bill parcells the keys to the kingdom and said "need anything, just holla" so yeah...Cowher COULD have complete control if he asked for it.
And how did Gruden show he "can with with Al Davis?"
HE LEFT AFTER 4 YEARS! the last 2 he was in the playoffs! he was part of that trade w/ the bucs for picks and cash. If Al Davis liked him so much....why not just renew his contract? Davis could have easily bested the Bucs offer. If you remember...Davis didnt like Gruden's playcalling.
Cowher is the man for the job.
He beats Gruden in every coaching stat that matters
He has more stature, respect, power on day 1 than Gruden would.
He is also a better long term fit.
Gruden's reputation > gruden's reality
Cowher is a guy who could handle Jerry Jones AND win
Save_Me_Jebus: Hello Mr. Luck said 11/09, 04:12 PM
You wasted a 1/4 of your argument on Mike Zimmer. Which has nothing to do with this TD. It's just my opinion.
And how did Gruden show he "can with with Al Davis?"
HE LEFT AFTER 4 YEARS!
The fact he survived 4 years indicates he handled Al Davis pretty well.
Since Gruden was "released" from his contract; Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin and Tom Cable have all coached the Raiders.
4 years as a head coach indicates that A)he was doing something right and B) he handled Al Davis fairly well.
Cowher would not be the best man for the job, primarily because Jones won't be able to match his demands. You bring up Parcells, but Parcells and Jones did not have the greatest relationship. In fact, Jones hated it so why go through it again?
Gruden would be the better choice for HC. Do you honestly think that Jerry Jones will give up any power/control of the Dallas Cowboys? Gruden is a natural leader and loves QB's, he would inspire some much needed confidence in Romo. Gruden also would preach discipline unlike Wade Phillips. Gruden will stand up for his players unlike Phillips.
Bear likes this DEFENSE said 11/09, 09:18 PM
1. how did he "survive" 4 years w/ davis?
he was escorted out! davis and gruden didnt get along. thats why gruden didnt even last 1/2 a decade!
and the FACT that he didnt have a long tenure with an owner like al davis proves my point he wont be a good fit w/ jerry jones.
2. jerry jones HAS given up a lot of power/control before.
i think jerry jones is at a point in his life that he sees the obvious
*get a crappy coach and i lose
*get a good coach and i win
winning > losing......so go for the best coach
3. and how exactly will gruden stand up for his players?
jerry jones would eat his lunch
you think the "chucky stare" has any effect on a billionaire like jerry jones?
bill cowher on the other hand seems like he is much more capable of getting his way.
4. if jerry jones has a brain in that head he will put cowher in a shirt with abig blue star on it and lock him up in a long term deal. i think this will be cowher's last gig. he wants to get another ring. dallas would be a great stage for that to happen
Save_Me_Jebus: Hello Mr. Luck said 11/10, 08:54 AM
The Cowboys need someone that will preach discipline. The Cowboys need an in your face type coach. That coach is Gruden.
Do you honestly believe that Bill Cowher and Jerry Jones would get along? Do you think Cowher would be receptive of Jerry Jones always standing on the sidelines? How do you think Cowher will feel knowing that come draft day, the decisions will be made by Jones and not him?
Do you remember Jerry badmouthing Parcells?
Here is a reminder;
Generally speaking a 4 year coaching stint is not considered a long time, however, in RaiderLand it's an eternity. Since Gruden left Oakland no less than 5 coaches have been named for the Raiders.
Jon Gruden is a x's and O's type of coach, he's an offensive coach and a good motivator. Phillips was to be a good defensive coach, sorry but Jerry Jones does not come back with a defensive-minded coach. The offense has struggled with and without Romo.
Gruden would be a better fit in Dallas, because Gruden is the only proven coach who might be arrogant enough to make it work with Jerry Jones as the GM.
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