- 11/29/2010, 11:02PM ET
Bear likes this DEFENSE said 11/29, 11:02 PM
Randy Shannon had to clean house.
He didnt inherit a championship program like Les Miles did when Saban left LSU
He got Miami's graduation rate to one of the highest levels in the nation.
He lowered their arrest rate than it had been in over a decade.
He only coached 4 years.
-his win # increeased every year except '10
-his only losing season was his 1st
-he lost 6 conf games year 1...but only 10 in the next 3 years
-he has 3 top 25 AP poll finishes out of his 4 years
-he went to 2 bowl games (not counting this year's upcoming bowl)
He was moving the program in the right direction by any REASONABLE measure
Did he win an ACC Championship?
Did he win a BCS bowl?
I think Miami expected him to do what Saban did @ Bama & LSU
Shannon aint Saban
But he was a good fit and was winning and improving.
He just signed a 4 year extension in may...which means Miami has to buy his contract out now. (more $$ down the drain)
And who will they get?
Mike Leach? Gruden? the o-corr from arkansas?
Shannon was the man for that job.
OM: 2010 Champs said 11/29, 11:10 PM
Your argument is nearly enough proof for me.
Does anyone remember the early part of this decade, when Miami was amongst the 5 most feared teams in the nation? Does anyone remember one of the most epic Nat'l Title games in recent history between "The U" and Ohio State?
Miami is a program that expects to be, and should be one of the top 25 teams in the country every year.
One losing season is ok, especially if it's your first season inheriting a program.
However, when you go 0-2 in bowl games (not so great bowl games at that), can't win your conference (a weak one at that), and your win total declines in year 4, something is wrong.
Shannon was at a program whose name sake alone was enough to attract some of the best recruits in the country. If Shannon couldn't bring in top recruiting classes every year, and turn them into winners, he WAS NOT the right fit at Miami like you proclaim him to be.
Miami isn't a stepping stone for great coaches like many other ACC programs are. Miami is a program where most coaches make their final stops. With that said, Miami can certainly do better than Randy Shannon as coach.
Bear likes this DEFENSE said 11/29, 11:37 PM
Lets work backwards.
1. Who is better equipped for the Miami culture than Randy Shannon?
Do you think Mike Leech can even find his way from the stadium to the dunkin donuts to his condo? Do you think that Arkansas off coordinator will have the same success w/o Ryan Mallet?
Jon Gruden seems happy at his job...you think he will put in the effort of a randy shannon? gruden will rest on his ring. Shannon will stay past 6 watching film
2. Shannon had to clean house. He got the grad rate UP and the arrest rate DOWN
its not like he started with a great program
that leads to....
3. Miami/Bama/Texas/Ohio State/Michigan/USC and other top programs need to realize in the modern era small schools get quality players
There is MUCH more parity in the ncca now than before
4 & 5 star players can go to smaller schools and midmajors and still get seen by pro scouts via internet/ 24/7 tv, etc...
So they have to be REALISTIC
you might get a title shot once a decade
you might have to spend 3-4 years in the middle of your conference before you can rebuild and make a run
they should have honored their contract THEN made a decision
OM: 2010 Champs said 11/29, 11:46 PM
"its not like he started with a great program"
Couldn't be a more false statement if you tried.
Shannon DID NOT inherit a great team. But he DID inherit a great program. One of the best in the nation.
"you might have to spend 3-4 years in the middle of your conference before you can rebuild and make a run"
This isn't the NFL buddy. Great college programs like Miami don't have time to waste "rebuilding". For more than a year or two that is.
With Shannon running this team, Miami was in a 4 year long "rebuilding" mode. For a program of that stature, that is 3 years too many.
While your point about parity is true, does that excuse Miami being an average team at best under Shannon? No.
To be entirely honest, I don't see any coaches in the IMMEDIATE future that are long term solutions. But I do firmly believe that getting rid of Shannon was a step in the right direction for Miami.
Yes Shannon was a good guy, in that he did reduce the team's crime rate (although I believe that came more with players leaving than it did with anything Shannon did). However, Shannon wasn't winning, and while raising young men is part of a coaches job, winning is an even bigger part.
Bear likes this DEFENSE said 11/30, 11:02 AM
Bobby Bowden only won 1 bowl game his first 6 years at FSU
The great Woody Hayes had 3 VERY average years at OSU in the beginning.
and had some losing seasons every now and then too...
Mack Brown had a few HORRIBLE years when he started at NC. But turned it around & went to 6 straight bowls
Shannon was IMPROVING the team every year. He still had a winning record this year.
What does Miami do now?
How does that help?
How does firing a winning coach help them take the next step?
Lets be real.
FLORIDA has had the run on recruiting in that state for the last 1/2 decade. Miami is competing mainly in the south which is dominated by Bama/Auburn/LSU/Georgia, etc...
The inner city Miami kids arent the ones who will go to "da U" and make it a contender.
They will have to recruit from all over the south and that will take TIME.
if they had a Nick Saban or a proven winner in waiting...then MAYBE you pull the trigger.
but Gruden won his ring w/ Tony Dungy's team. i dont see him fitting in
Mike leech didnt do much better at Tech
the Ark off coor wont bring Mallet w/ him.
so how are they better off w/o Shannon?
OM: 2010 Champs said 11/30, 12:37 PM
"Shannon was IMPROVING the team every year"
Miami in 2009: 9-4
In 2010: 7-5
What part about that is improving from 2009 to 2010? That's not even mentioning the fact that his team was 0-3 this year vs top 25 teams. That's unacceptable for Miami's standards.
You mention coaches who started off not so well at their schools. What you fail to show, is that those coaches who originally struggled, were the first coaches to start a tradition at those schools. With that said, their respective schools didn't have as high of expectations early on.
Shannon walked into a program that was already one of the most respected in the nation. Not too mention that it is in the talent rich state of Florida, a recruiting hotbed.
While no proven winner is in the waiting, there are certainly viable options. I mean, it wasn't like Shannon was a 'winner in the waiting', so it's not like they're downgrading by firing him.
For the time being, I think Miami will need to pursue either Auburn's offensive coordinator, Arkansas', or perhaps Stanford's. Point is though, getting rid of Shannon now was the right move.
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