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  • 12/05/2010, 10:09PM ET

JAubin Fall Classic Tourney-Topic in first argument

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Which US state other than Alaska is the best paradise for big game hunting?

Pretty much any Rocky Mountain state, can be considered for the TD.

Big game is what it sounds like, big animals.

Deer
Bear
Antelope
Moose
Elk
etc

This is a tough TD because many states have large populations of some of these animals, but I think I found the state with the best mix.

My state is Colorado.

last year, there were 150 moose taken with 86% of hunters killing one.

For White tailed deer, mule deer, and elk, there are 63 pages worth of stats for last year on all 3 on Colorado Wildlife division's official website.

I didn't do the math because there was simply too much for me to add, but obviously, all 3 are very plentiful in Colorado.

There were thousands of black bear harvested in Colorado last year along with a good number of Grizzly bears.

Colorado is also home to Pronghorn Antelopes, Mountain goats, and Rams.

Good luck Chosen


Well for me it did not take much research to find out that the odds are now stacked against me....

With no real knowledge of hunting whatsoever I decided to go just on my knowledge of having nature in general as well as having traveled to most of the states within the continental United States so my pick is

Wyoming

For those lucky enough to be given a license for it the state of Wyoming offers Bison/Buffalo hunting. Any true big game hunter would love the chance to take down one of these 2,000+ pound animals. Other states offer Bison hunting but from what Ive read the best Bison comes from the Wyoming hunts.

On top of Bison the state of Wyoming also offers the following big game animals

Bison
Elk
Rocky Mountain Big Horn Sheep
Moose
Mule Deer
Whitetail Deer
Mountain Goats
Antelope
Black Bear

From what I also read it appears they may also start allowing Grizzly Bear hunting as well as the hunting of Gray Wolves (that is if they have not already started to allow the hunting of these two animals).


good luck Outlaw even though I think I will need it more...


I can't deny that Wyoming has the better buffalo hunting, Colorado has the option, but it isn't as good as Wyoming.

However, there are plenty of other big game species that Colorado has the advantage of.

Colorado had more recorded tags of harvested elk, white tailed deer, mule deer, and black bear.

From what I could tell, moose kills were too close to argue over.

Also according to Boone and Crockett(they score big game based on a points system, if you even make Boone and Crockett's minimum size to be scored, you have slain a very big animal), Colorado has had bigger elk, mule deer, and white tailed deer than Wyoming, including the US record for a typical spread Elk.

I also have an issue of Outdoor Life Magazine that ranks the top 100 hunting towns in America.

Colorado had 8 towns on the list to Wyoming's 3.

I would love the opportunity to hunt in either one of these states. or Montana, but if I had first choice given the information I have read, I would rather go to Colorado for the hunting.


Now as far as you mentioning Outdoor Life Magazine well I went to their website and I did find their 2010 list for best towns in America for hunters and fisherman

http://fsolmedia.com/OL/BestTownsComplete.html

Wyoming
8. Saratoga
9. Rawlins
15. Cody
17. Lander
18. Sheridan
78. Casper
94. Gillette
166. Green River

Colorado
21. Granby
33. Colorado Springs
36. Carbondale
40. Montrose
43. Trinidad
48. Rifle
66. Fort Collins
68. Craig
84. Evergreen
91. Grand Junction
111. Durango
114. Hayden
153. Gunnison

Ok so in the top 200 yes Colorado has more towns but Wyoming has 5 towns that rank higher than Colorado's best town. Wyoming had more towns ranked in the top 20 than any other state.

Now lets look at how the towns rank in Trophy potential

Wyoming- two towns ranked 8, four ranked 7, two ranked 6
Colorado- six towns ranked 7, seven ranked 6

So Colorado did not have a single town that ranked an 8 but Wyoming had two towns.

So it appears that the best towns are in Wyoming so if I am going hunting I will take Wyoming it has better towns to pick from.



a lot more to come....


Wyoming might have a few better towns, but Colorado has more to choose from. Apparently I miscounted my totals from the previous argument, but still Colorado has over 25% more towns on the list.

Wyoming might have a few better towns, but overall, Colorado has a lot more places to choose from.

I would love to have a chance to hunt in either of these states, but given the fact that Colorado has more top 200 outdoor towns to choose from, there are more Mule deer, white tailed deer, elk and black bear, and Colorado has bigger elk including the record for a typical spread elk, I would choose Colorado if I had the choice.

Both states have the same variety of animals to choose from, Wyoming has moore buffalo. but that's about it.

More elk/deer/black bear

roughly same amount of moose.

Bigger elk

Bug deer in both states

More towns to choose from

Colorado is the best state for big game hunting in the continental United States.


Yes Colorado has more top 200 towns but let me ask everyone this would you rather be the 8th best or say the 114th best? Me personally I would rather hunt in the town that is 8th best in the country over hunting in a town that is 114th.


Colorado offers you a bunch of towns that are good but Wyoming offers you towns that are great. I showed you using the magazine that you mentioned how Wyoming has 5 towns that all rank higher than Colorado's highest ranking town.

If I go to Saratoga, Wyoming it would put me within an hours drive by car from Rawlins so in Wyoming I have two top 10 options within an hours drive from each other.


Lets be real if I take a trip out of state Colorado is about 104,100 square miles so I'm not going to be able to hunt all over the entire state. What I will have to do is find one or two towns to focus on and Wyoming offers me better selections when it comes to individual towns.

So I'm taking Wyoming because I would rather have options to choose from at the very top than have a bunch of mid to lower level of the pack options.

So for big game hunters hunt Wyoming

December 5, 2010  10:10 PM ET

One would think I have an atvantage on this one, but that is not the case.

I live in Georgia, and have never had the opportunity to hunt big game other than black bear and White Tailed Deer.

I had to do a good bit of research for this one.

December 5, 2010  10:17 PM ET

I'd say the District of Columbia. Big, Big game there.

December 5, 2010  10:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

One would think I have an atvantage on this one, but that is not the case.I live in Georgia, and have never had the opportunity to hunt big game other than black bear and White Tailed Deer.I had to do a good bit of research for this one.

Well, so consider wild boar big game, I've hunted them too, along with alligator.

December 5, 2010  10:54 PM ET

Surprisingly to me, Arizona could be argued in this one.

I expect to be arguing against Montana, Wyoming or possibly South Dakota.

December 5, 2010  10:56 PM ET

Canada? Even though the fact it isn't real.

December 5, 2010  11:00 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Canada? Even though the fact it isn't real.

If Canada were a state there wouldn't be much debate.

More elk, more moose, slightly less deer, but still a good bit, more grizzly and black bears.

Plus you add in Polar bears, Caribou and Walrus.

December 5, 2010  11:31 PM ET
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How about the ZOO? <just saying>

Yeah I'd like to kill one of them **** with te long neck and spots.

December 6, 2010  12:57 AM ET

Texas.

December 6, 2010  02:52 AM ET

lol a hunting topic vs Outlaw man Jaubin you must really not like me or something.....

I've never hunted an animal in my life and Outlaw is like big on fishing and hunting so this should be interesting

December 6, 2010  09:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

lol a hunting topic vs Outlaw man Jaubin you must really not like me or something.....I've never hunted an animal in my life and Outlaw is like big on fishing and hunting so this should be interesting

Like I said in comment 1, I had to do a good deal of research for this one because I have no experience of big game hunting outside of Georgia and North Carolina. Never killed an elk or moose, and I've only killed a couple black bears.

December 6, 2010  10:15 AM ET

Grizzly bears are classified as an endangered species in Colorado. So I don't know where you read that some were "harvested".

December 6, 2010  10:31 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Grizzly bears are classified as an endangered species in Colorado. So I don't know where you read that some were "harvested".

A mistake on my part. The website I used for bears had stats for Colorado, Wyoming, Montana and British Columbia.

I clicked on the BC link instead of Colorado I guess.

December 6, 2010  10:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

A mistake on my part. The website I used for bears had stats for Colorado, Wyoming, Montana and British Columbia.I clicked on the BC link instead of Colorado I guess.

Nope, that's not it, Apparently I was tired last night because I think I was going for mountain lions or something like that.

December 6, 2010  03:01 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

lol a hunting topic vs Outlaw man Jaubin you must really not like me or something.....I've never hunted an animal in my life and Outlaw is like big on fishing and hunting so this should be interesting

It was either this or NASCAR, and I figured this would be easier to argue than NASCAR would against Outlaw

December 6, 2010  03:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

It was either this or NASCAR, and I figured this would be easier to argue than NASCAR would against Outlaw

It is, I am very passionate about the changes I would make to NASCAR.

Hunting, I hunt only white tailed deer, turkey, water fowl, dove, rabbit and squirrel.

I have hunted black bear, wild boar and alligator a few times, but when you cross the Mississippi on me, i have to do some research.

December 6, 2010  04:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

If Canada were a state there wouldn't be much debate.More elk, more moose, slightly less deer, but still a good bit, more grizzly and black bears.Plus you add in Polar bears, Caribou and Walrus.

Canada isn't real.

December 6, 2010  06:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

It was either this or NASCAR, and I figured this would be easier to argue than NASCAR would against Outlaw

eh neither one is easy to argue against Outlaw he hunts and he follows Nascar....

only thing I care about for Nascar is checking to see how Joe Gibbs racing team is doing. I dont watch the races I just look at the standings

as for hunting I have nothing against hunting but where I'm from we just don't hunt


you might be right though this might be a little easier to argue against Outlaw but any other time I would not argue hunting or fishing throwdowns against Outlaw

December 6, 2010  06:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

It is, I am very passionate about the changes I would make to NASCAR.Hunting, I hunt only white tailed deer, turkey, water fowl, dove, rabbit and squirrel.I have hunted black bear, wild boar and alligator a few times, but when you cross the Mississippi on me, i have to do some research.

its still a topic you have experience in I've never hunted anything so anything with hunting would either take me looking every single little thing up or me just bs'ing my way through the topic hoping to grab a vote here and there

December 6, 2010  07:03 PM ET

Rocky Mountain High, Colorado.

 
December 6, 2010  07:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#20):

Rocky Mountain High, Colorado.

Seen it rainin fire in the sky.

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