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  • 12/07/2010, 04:02PM ET

Sylvester Stallone - Boxing Hall of Fame?

J-Business (78-66-19) vs Rudedog: Believe The Hype (370-317-81)
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Stallone, he of Rambo, Rocky and Judge Dredd fame will be inducted into the 2011 Boxing Hall of Fame.

My question is: Does he deserve it?
My answer: Yes, yes he does.

Although Stallone has never fought in a real boxing match, his contribution to the sport has been enormous.

Rocky is not only the highest grossing sports movie franchise of all time, it's also one of the biggest box office movies of all time.

Stallone's contribution to boxing has been enormous and the Rocky franchise has done alot to promote the sport.

How many a young boxer has woken up at 5 in the morning, eaten a raw egg and run through his city with "the Rocky song" dancing through his head: countless

Stallone's induction to the Boxing Hall of Fame is similar to how universities give honorary degrees. It's not because they studied there but for their contribution to the field.

Of course we could have all done without Rocky 5 but we can not overlook the franchise's contribution to "the Sweet Science".

It's even contributed to culture with people like Apollo Creed, Ivan Drago and the saying "Yo Adrian!"

So does Stallone belong in the boxing Hall of Fame?
Yes, yes he does


After looking at other inductees, Stallone is the first actor inducted. He's apart of the group of media related inductees: journalists, announcers, photographers, etc.

And honestly, if I was in the boxing hall of fame, I'd be incredibly upset with this. By inducting Stallone into the hall, you're almost mocking those who've been inducted in before him. If someone who didn't have to go through the fights or the injuries of the sport can get nominated in, then where do we stop? What other sports will follow? Are we going to induct Robert De Niro into the boxing Hall of Fame next?

Will Gene Hackman be inducted in the basketball Hall of Fame?
Kevin Costner in baseball's hall of fame?

It's an awful idea. Stallone may have successfully portrayed a boxer in a movie, but that's it. If he's publicized the sport, present him with some special award. But DO NOT induct him into the hall of fame. This isn't like giving someone an honorary degree from a college. It's like having someone portray a student of a university then going and retiring his number in the movie afterwards.

Rocky was a great movie series. But it doesn't warrant Stallone being in the HoF


There are 4 basic categories in the Boxing Hall of Fame

Boxers (Modern & Old Timers)
Pioneers
Non-Participant
Observer

The areas of Non-participants and Observers are selected based on their promotion of Boxing and their contribution of its popularity.

So yes media, publishers, writers, historians and artists are voted in as members of the HOF.

The Boxing Hall of Fame, similar to other sports HOF's is not limited to people who fought in directly participated in boxing matches.

This is why Howard Cosell, Bert Sugar and Larry Merchant are also inductees and now Stallone.

Stallone wrote and produced 6 movies based around a boxing character which would go on to win numerous awards, bring in a billions of dollars and along with increased exposure to the sport.

His film about a boxer resonates with many people around the world and through his works, he has done a lot to increase the profile of the sport.

Stallone did for boxing what few other non-athletes were able to do.
He helped to make it more main stream and popular amongst non-boxing fans.

Stallone definitely deserves to be in the boxing HOF


This is why Howard Cosell, Bert Sugar and Larry Merchant are also inductees

What these 3 did can't compare to what Stallone did. These three worked directly with boxing and are names commonly associated with boxing diehards.

What Stallone did certainly didn't deal with boxing directly. Not the real sport of boxing at least. He played a great role in a great sports movie, don't get me ring. But how the hell can you put someone like that in the hall of fame?

It just doesn't make sense. Putting him alongside the likes of Ali, Frazier, Tyson, Jack Johnson is just unreasonable. He didn't do nearly as much for boxing as these guys did. If I was Ali, Frazier, or Tyson, I'd be insulted that they put him in the Hall of Fame. You're essentially saying that what Stallone did was as important as what these guys did.

It's not close. Just because he portrayed a boxer outstandingly doesn't warrant him being in the Hall of Fame. Sorry, but it's just insane


The reason why the Boxing HOF has the Non-participant and Observer section is for people who weren't actually boxers.

The Boxing HOF along with other sports HOF's understand non-athletes can make tremendous contributions.

To say that boxers should be insulted by Stallone is ridiculous. He brought more attention to the sport. There's a reason why Frazier and Duran were in the first 2 Rocky films. They respect the story.

Cossell, Sugar and Merchant are examples of people in the Observer section. They along with 24 other guys and Stallone form this category.
The majority of people in the Observer section were writers. They wrote books and stories about boxing.

Stallone wrote and produced the story of "Rocky" and this franchise went on to be very successful.
In 2006 Stallone was also awarded the Boxing Writers Association of America award for "Lifetime Cinematic Achievement in Boxing."
Films are modern day books and Rocky is one of greatest sports stories of all time.


He didn't just "portray" a boxer. He created the idea, wrote the story and produced it.

Stallone created a cultural icon centered around a boxer and deserves to be in the Boxing HOF.


for people who weren't actually boxers.

Yes, but your missing the point here.

Take Howard Cossell for example. He was the voice of boxing when Ali was at his prime. He didn't fight, but he was involved directly with REAL LIFE BOXING.

To simply portray a fighter in a movie does not warrant putting you in the boxing hall of fame. Giving Stallone the Cinematic Achievement award is fine because he specifies the cinematic part. But I don't care if he wrote, produced, directed, edited, acted, and got the donuts for everyone involved, he doesn't deserve to be in the boxing hall of fame.

The boxing hall of fame is for those that took the beating and those who won titles. It's for those who have life long injuries because of their sport: a la Ali his Parkinsons.

I love (most of) the Rocky movies. It ranks high on my all-time favorites. But it'd be like giving Tom Hanks a Purple Heart because of what he did in Saving Private Ryan. It just doesn't make sense

Great TD

December 7, 2010  04:18 PM ET

I'll leave this open for DJ. That, and I won't be around to finish it.

but to me, it would be like Kevin Costner or Charlie Sheen getting into the Baseball HoF.

December 7, 2010  04:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'll leave this open for DJ. That, and I won't be around to finish it.but to me, it would be like Kevin Costner or Charlie Sheen getting into the Baseball HoF.

Agreed. That's a good way to look at it.

December 7, 2010  04:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'll leave this open for DJ. That, and I won't be around to finish it.but to me, it would be like Kevin Costner or Charlie Sheen getting into the Baseball HoF.

or Tom Selleck. After all he was "Mr. Baseball"

December 7, 2010  04:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'll leave this open for DJ. That, and I won't be around to finish it.but to me, it would be like Kevin Costner or Charlie Sheen getting into the Baseball HoF.

There's a big difference. Stallone made 6 movies based around boxing, all of which were box office hits. Those movies have done alot more to promote boxing than any of those actors have done to promote baseball.

December 7, 2010  04:51 PM ET

While we're at it, why don't we put Chevy Chase into the golf HOF, and Joshua Jackson into the hockey HOF.

December 7, 2010  04:55 PM ET

Don't forget that besides the 6 Rocky movies to promote boxing he also was part a show called THE CONTENDER which also helped promote boxing.

However I honestly don't know if he belongs in their Hall of Fame for movies and a game show.

December 7, 2010  04:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

While we're at it, why don't we put Chevy Chase into the golf HOF, and Joshua Jackson into the hockey HOF.

I'll be sure to mention some of the voters for the Boxing Hall of Fame.

December 7, 2010  04:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Don't forget that besides the 6 Rocky movies to promote boxing he also was part a show called THE CONTENDER which also helped promote boxing. However I honestly don't know if he belongs in their Hall of Fame for movies and a game show.

I agree. Seems like all HOF's should be limited to players, coaches, and innovators only.

December 7, 2010  05:46 PM ET

This is just too funny - Ficticious rodent heavyweight Mighty-Mouse beats the hell out of bad guys daily (probably pwned Rocky's **** the dirt too) - I didn't see HIS name on the ballot.

December 7, 2010  05:48 PM ET

For those naming Chevy Chase those guys didn't create the movies they played in. Rocky was the creation of Sly. Costner would be the same thing because of his work with Field of Dreams.

I am split on this. The IBHOF seems to let in guys who just brought the sport into the lime light so on this, yes, he should get in. Not only for Rocky but he does a lot of promotion and appearances for big fights to this day.

Personally I wish they would leave it to just accomplishments in the ring. Sly has received a lot of awards and accolades for the Rocky movie [lets face it, only the first one was truly great] there is no need for anymore.

I also don't like Tyson getting in on the first ballot when he wasn't even a top 3 guy [Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe easily all better] in his own generation. Yes he became the youngest heavyweight champion but he never beat a great fighter either. He gets in because of the popularity he brought to the sport. This is also why Hatton and Gatti will get in. If you can sell tickets and collect a belt or two along the way you will get in.

December 8, 2010  10:25 AM ET

and clint eastwood should be made into a real officer of the san francisco police department, harrison ford should be given an archaeology degree from harvard, hell, lets make sean connery a real spy too.

December 8, 2010  10:34 AM ET

Okay now that Rocky is in the boxing HOF will Apollo Creed or Clubber Lang get in?

December 8, 2010  10:39 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Okay now that Rocky is in the boxing HOF will Apollo Creed or Clubber Lang get in?

Soda Popinski!

December 8, 2010  10:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Don't forget that besides the 6 Rocky movies to promote boxing he also was part a show called THE CONTENDER which also helped promote boxing. However I honestly don't know if he belongs in their Hall of Fame for movies and a game show.

LOVE THE AVATAR!!!

December 8, 2010  10:58 AM ET

I agree, J Bus.

Hopefully this will not get "ruined."

December 8, 2010  11:05 AM ET

I mean if announcer can get inducted into other sports HOF than why can't an actor/film makerget in? He did almost beat Antonio Tarver at 60! LOL

December 8, 2010  11:08 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Okay now that Rocky is in the boxing HOF will Apollo Creed or Clubber Lang get in?

Apollo Creed died in the movie. Does he make it in fictiously posthumously? You know like he "fake-dead"?

December 8, 2010  11:11 AM ET

J-Business, do you think the Hanson brothers should be in the Hockey Hall of Fame? Seriously, would you ever consider putting aluminum foil on your knuckles without their help?

December 8, 2010  11:15 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

J-Business, do you think the Hanson brothers should be in the Hockey Hall of Fame? Seriously, would you ever consider putting aluminum foil on your knuckles without their help?

Accept the TD, its open.

 
December 8, 2010  11:52 AM ET

Someone accept it and please no dupes or people with axes to grind against the site.

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