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- 12/07/2010, 09:52PM ET
Tourney of all Tourneys - College Football Playoffs
YODA said 12/07, 09:52 PM
Good luck (Un) and Hyped. My partner (Grue) did most of the heavy-lifting for this TD.
We want playoffs, damn it.
But despite the yearly outcry from fans, the draconian BCS system remains. Playoffs are seen as a direct threat to the massively profitable oligopoly. Frontal attacks on the system continue to fail. We therefore offer a "win-win" plan that can be piggy-backed onto the current system.
Our proposal:
1. Keep the 4 major BCS bowls (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta). The 100+ yr tradition can't be minimized. But now, these 8 teams form a playoff tourney.
2. Have 5 traditional auto tie-ins plus 3 at-large bids. In arg 2, I'll go into the the advantages of this tweaked selection process.
3. Insert a Semi-Finals between the 4 Major Bowls and the BCS Natl Championship Game.
Fans now have 2 huge games to look forward to. Plus, it eliminates the current ratings failure matchup between the 9th and 10th ranked teams.
4. The BCS Championship Game becomes your Playoff Final. The polls contributed to the 8 finalists, but now the champ is decided here on the field.
Our plan is realistic, simple to implement, and financially viable.
(Un)mautre said 12/08, 08:43 PM
Thank you and good luck!
We've seen many rational and seemingly financially feasible options proposed. And your plan could easily be categorized alongside them. The problem is - and you've already used the word here - they are not "realistic".
The BCS has already warned us that if forced to scrap the current system, they'd go back to the old bowl system rather than move to a playoff format. You can't reason with those who don't wish to negotiate. And the BCS is clearly not interested in bargaining.
So keeping in mind that this all fairy-tale, playoffs in general are not a "realistic" option. So why hold back? Why attempt to appease the BCS when they refuse to be appeased?
Here is our proposal
- 16 Team Single-Elimination Bracket
- Seeds go to the 16 highest ranked schools
- NO Automatic-Qualifiers
- Scrap the 4 major BCS bowls (details later)
Why a 16 Team Bracket?
The largest criticism pinned against the current BCS system is inequality among conferences. This 16-team bracket is large enough to represent all the conferences (in a need-be scenario), yet not explicitly held to do so.
OOR...
YODA said 12/09, 01:19 AM
We don't agree that this TD is "all fairy-tale".
Our side brings the BCS to the bargaining table because our proposal builds upon the existing bowl system. Our plan is realistic for study and implementation.
Yes, the BCS won't deal with anyone intending to "scrap" the system. And your 16 game seeded playoff is their worst nightmare. 15 playoff games really takes the focus away from other Bowls, sponsors, and communities.
It also creates pointless match-ups (1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15...) that don't help anyone involved.
Here's the 2010 example for how our selection process works:
1 Auburn
2 Oregon
3 TCU
4 Stanford
5 Wisconsin
6 OSU
7 Oklahoma
8 Arkansas
The top 5 Conference Champs plus 3 At-Large bids make up the participants.
The historical bowl tie-ins stay in place where applicable.
WEST -
Rose: 2 Oregon (PAC 10 Champ) vs 5 Wiscon (Big 10 Chmp)
Fiesta: 7 Okla (Big 12 Chmp) vs 4 Stanf (At-Large #1)
EAST-
Sugar: 1 Auburn (SEC Chmp) vs 8. Arkans (AL #3)
Orange: 3 TCU (MWC) vs OSU (AL #2)
SEMIS:
Rose winner vs Fiesta
Sugar vs Orange
(Venue goes back and forth each yr.)
FINALS:
West vs East
Simple. Feasible.
(Un)mautre said 12/09, 11:46 PM
As the BCS Commissioners warned (link) today, they will not budge any further. So yes, this is all fantasy.
Your proposal
1. What happens if the nation's top ranked team holds a two-game conference lead going into their final game? Where's the incentive to give their all?
2. What happens in a season when there are not at least 5 Conference Champs within the Top 8 teams? Criticism starts buzzing... again
Our proposal
When BCS critics talk playoffs they aren't seeking a compromise. They're looking at the FCS (I-AA), D-II, D-III, etc. They're saying those guys run a playoff, why can't the FBS?
That's exactly what this is. Since 1986 the FCS has held a 16-team playoff (expanded to 20 teams in 2010). Our key difference is the elimination of AQs. We removed AQs for the same reason we stretched out to a 16-team tournament, equality is the only way to quiet BCS critics.
Under our proposal only the National Championship Game will be played at a neutral site. All other games will be played on campus, with home field advantage going to the higher seeded team (aka incentive to win every week).
YODA said 12/10, 01:58 AM
Still "all fantasy"?
Your link is just a red herring. Obviously the BCS will push back when they feel threatened. But that article really only suggests that your FBS format type will continue to hit roadblocks. It doesn't address our hyprid proposal that seeks to work with the powers that be.
The critiques you made of our plan seem quite minor (a couple of "what ifs"). Do you really foresee teams half-assing a game? I would hope not, Un. Besides, under any format, there will always be some "buzzing"(alma mater biases, distrust in the polls/rankings, etc.). Our plan is a nice step in the right direction.
Your proposal is doomed from the get-go. It seeks to throw out the establishment at a time when they're both powerful and profitable.
Your plan threatens the size of the BCS/NCAAF pie and doesn't do enough in return to enrich the fan experience. The pointless 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, etc QF games (in addition to the loss of the all the other bowl games) hurt. And with just one single game booked in advance, scheduling and student travel become nightmares.
Thanks again, Grue (NCAAF Guru)
And thanks, Rudedog (Tourney Host)
(Un)mautre said 12/10, 07:15 AM
No, the BCS Commissioners have stated repeatedly that if forced out of the current BCS system they will revert back to the old bowl system. They have stated repeatedly that playoffs never have been and never will be an option.
The scheduling, the student travel, etc. Guess what... every other division of college does it. Many of which have finer academic institutions (Ivy League schools for instance). It's a lot more feasible than the BCS would like you to believe. Heck, they do one game playoff notice in the NFL. You think it's hurting profits? That's absurd to even suggest.
What would happen if the BCS ran Men's College Basketball? We'll guarantee you that Butler University would not have been playing for the national title back in April... the most watched title game in over a decade. People won't tune in to watch the little guy attempt the upset? Balderdash. Put something on the line other than dollars (like playoff advancement) and they will.
If you're a fan of a powerhouse conference, you have nothing to worry about. For example, the SEC currently has four teams ranked in the top 16... more than any other conference.
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So the major 4 BCS bowls would be the first round of the playoffs?
KingKong48
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That's correct.
YODA
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I agree.
I'll be interested to see what qualifies a team as an "auto tie-in" as well as how the at-large bids are selected.
OM: 2010 Champs
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One of the better playoff systems I've heard, but I'm still not a fan of NCAA playoffs.
I won't list my reasons until (un) posts an argument.
Outlaw...
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Most likely the BCS.
Outlaw...
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Looks good Yoda. Will get to this tomorrow.
(Un)mautre
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"1. Keep the 4 major BCS bowls (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta). The 100+ yr tradition can't be minimized. But now, these 8 teams form a playoff tourney."
-- I don't enjoy this idea, necessarily. I won't expand since Un and Hyped didn't argue yet.
DetroitFan*: It Is?!
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Un is looking kinda sick.
Armada
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Fixed.
Assassin: Simile…
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Maybe (UN)healthy?
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best of luck to you both
Rudedog: Thankful
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The BCS is the best. I'd tweak the system slightly, but no playoffs necessary.
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Un and Hyped?
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Epic TD...looking forward to all arguments.....!
Darth Maim
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Win TWINS!!!
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8 is too many teams. If you start the BCS tourny on Jan 1. you compete with the big non-bcs bowls and risk splitting the audience, so that's out. So then the playoffs would have to start around the 10th of Jan., the second round games would be on the 17th and the title game would be either the 24th or with a bye on the 31st. You would be directly competing with the NFL playoffs which is rating suicide. They only way to do the playoffs is a four team playoff with the first round played around the 10th with one game on Fri and the other on Sat and the title game played on Fri night the next week.
Jld
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I honestly think the only way we are going to get a playoff is if the BCS bowls really start getting poor ratings and poor attendance. I love college football, but this BCS system is a joke, and it is killing the sport (CFB is a better product then the NFL by a hundred times if it had a playoff). How can anyone with a straight face sit there and defend the BCS when an 8-4 UConn team and a Va Tech team that lost to a DI-AA school are in BCS games over Michigan State, Boise State, Ok State, Nebraska, and LSU. The problem with this, is a team like UConn gets all that money that the BCS bowls give to schools, while an 11-1 Michigan State team that would kick the living piss out of UConn, gets screwed because there are 3 really good teams in the Big 10 (Note: this is the Big 10's fault for 1. Not having a championship game, 2. having a stupid tie breaker rule, 3. bad luck that the year Michigan State has a really good team they missed playing the Buckeyes). Isn't this an anti-trust violation, I hate MSU, but they really got shafted this year. MSU reward, play an Alabama team that could careless about this game.
One of these year, a BCS bowl is really going to get upset for getting screwed over, like the Fiesta Bowl did this year. The Rose Bowl gets to take the Big 10 champ and the Pac 10 champ every year(except this year), the Rose Bowl is almost always guaranteed a good game. These other bowls get screwed because the Rose Bowl never really has to take a pitiful Big East team or ACC team. When are the other bowls going to start complaining? I'm sure the Fiesta Bowl is loving UConn v. Oklahoma (who seriously is going to watch this game outside of Oklahoma, and the 100 people who like UConn football?). Every year a bowl gets screwed with the Big East winner. Look at last year, Florida had Cincy beat by halftime, no point to watch the rest of the game. This year will be no different when Ok has UConn dismantled early. I just wish one of them had the balls to call out the Rose Bowl, and maybe start the wheels turning for a playoff.
we_are___
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Disagree. The low number of post-January 1 games means that you could easily fit the 3 remaining CFB games into existing CFB time slots without competing with the NFL games.
In addition, the CFB bowls typically do not match the NFL ratings anyway. There's an overlap in demographics but an incredibly strong NCAAF fanbase.
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