- 12/11/2010, 03:18PM ET
Sabih said 12/11, 03:18 PM
If anyone read Michael Wilbon's article on ESPN earlier this week, he said that Elway was the greatest QB of all-time and obviously better than Manning.
I am no fan of Manning but you cannot deny the talent.
Lets look at Career of the 2 QBs.
2 Super Bowls
1 Super Bowl MVP
148-82-1 (.641 Winning Pct)
79.9 QB Rating
56.9 Completion Pct
1 Super Bowl
1 Super Bowl MVP
131-61-0 (0.682 Winning Pct)
94.9 QB Rating
64.9 Completion Pct
Manning beats Elway in every stat. The only thing Elway has is one more ring than Manning. And that was helped greatly by having Terrel Davis in the backfield who rushed for 1750 yards and 2008 yards in those 2 years. He was also Super Bowl MVP in 97 and NFL MVP in 98.
Even with the 'horrible' year Manning is having right now. His production has been tremendous.
At his current pace he will have 32 TDs, nearly 5000 yards and a QB Rating of 91.2 Elway NEVER threw for more than 30 TDs in a season and his highest yard total was 4030.
Dethlok said 12/11, 04:30 PM
TD's mean nothing if you end up throwing the ball away to your opponent.
The Manning hype began with his father and the mystic has been transferred onto Archie's sons, mostly Peyton. But let's look at what Manning has accomplished in his only winning Super Bowl. Yes he won the MVP, but it took the Kicker to overcome Manning's interception and a turnover for a TD to seal the deal for the Colts victory.
They say winning a Super Bowl is a team effort, yet John Elway was a key component for the Broncos to go to 5 Super Bowls. The man is a true athlete, he could out scramble or even run the ball better than Manning, he even had a stronger arm than Manning as MLB was another option for Elway.
But what Elway lacked was a great running back in Edge James, 2 dependable go to receivers in Dallas Clark (future HOF) and Marvin Harrison (future HOF). Not till later in Elway's career does he get the impact RB that the Broncos sorely needed in T. Davis.
What a great QB does most is the intangibles to give his team a chance to win in the end. Ask Cleveland fans about the Drive or more importantly, as Favre and now Peyton about not throwing away the game.
Stats to come.
Sabih said 12/12, 01:42 AM
Elway had a lot of talent around him especially when he won his two SBs. He had an MVP RB in Terrell Davis who was far better than Edge. The rushing offense was Top 5 both years. If it was not for Davis' 157 yards and 3 TDs, Elway would not have won in 97.
Elway's stats for the game:
12-23 0TDs, 1 INT, 123 Yards
A tremendous TE in Shannon Sharpe and WR Rod Smith (over 11K receiving yards).
On defense, its not even close. Denver's D was top 10 in points allowed both years.
Manning's running attack was dead last last year. His D was 8th in points allowed. The year he won the SB his D was 23rd and rushing attack was 18th.
Reggie Wayne's success is greatly the result of Manning. Marvin Harrison is not Top 10 WR and Dallas Clarke is not better than Sharpe.
Despite having such a one-dimensional offense, defenses still struggle to stop him.
4th Quarter Comebacks
Manning is the master of 4TH quarter comebacks and game winning drives. He had 33 in his career to Elway's 27.
Dethlok said 12/12, 02:58 AM
Elway competed against far more superior teams that were better than the Broncos.
Montana and the most balanced team of the 80's on both sides of the ball.
The Fierce Defense of the Bears, Giants with LT, Redskins with Manley & Green, Dallas with Haley, Smith, Irvin & Aikman, Buffalo & Bruce Smith.
Favre & Holmgren
What you fail to compare is the way the game is played right now. There are so many rules to protect the QB that it's almost nearly impossible to fail and yet Manning has fallen short to just one great Dynasty, the Pats. He can have all the regular season comebacks, but when it matters the most it's almost Favrvian like.
Elway faced off with the Best of the Niners, Giants, Redskins, Dallas, Browns, Vikings (Moss, Carter, Cunningham, R. Smith), Packers & Buffalo - and with none of the rules that favor the QBs of this current generation no less.
In 2005, The Sporting News came out with the 50 Greatest QBs, and Elway was 3rd on the list behind Unitas & Montana. Take away your hate or jealousy for the Broncos success, and realize that QBs today are given way to many rules to help them succeed. 2010, Elway still belongs on the list.
Sabih said 12/12, 02:46 PM
"Elway competed against far more superior teams that were better than the Broncos."
Besides the fact that most of the teams were in the NFC you mentioned (49ers, Cowboys, Giants), it does not matter because he never face them on a regular basis. And when he did face them in the SB, he got destroyed. Lets face it, the AFC was the weaker conference.
Also, the absence of a cap allows you to stack a team. Denver had a tremendous D for most of Elway's career.
Manning has faced stiff competition in his era as well and it has mostly been in the AFC. The Patriots, Steelers, Ravens (all SB winners, all great teams) and SD. If Manning played in the weaker conference (NFC), he would have more playoff victories to his name.
[i]"He can have all the regular season comebacks, but when it matters the most it's almost Favrvian like."[i]
In the 3 SBs Elway lost, his team was blown out first by 19 points, then 32 and then 45 points
In the 97 Superbowl, his performance was horrible. 123 yards and 1 INT is not Favre like, its Rex Grossman like.
Dethlok said 12/13, 02:03 AM
It's a good thing Elway doesn't play like Favre, taking risk when not necessary isn't wise. Is not the NFC part of the NFL that plays against the AFC regularly during the season, I believe they do.
You admit, the AFC was the weaker conference during most of Elway's career, so he and his team were always playing against the better Dynasties while Manning only had to slay one Dynasty, the Pats. Manning is not the better athlete and so far in his career he has become a statistic accumulator, but not a very successful one where it counts.
Give credit where credit is due, during Elways tenure, the rules for protecting the QB was vanilla. You could get hit high or low and even dirty by today's standards, it didn't matter, there was no such rule as the NFL has now for protecting the QB. Reggie White, Dexter Manley, Charles Haley, Richard Dent, Derrick Thomas, Michael Strahan, Bruce Smith, Neil Smith, the real LT, John Randle, Chris Doleman, Clyde Simmons, Kevin Greene and many more outstanding defensive players who had their way.
Again, Elway is listed in a legitimate source as a top 3 QB published in 2005, even Tom Brady deserves to go before Manning.
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