- 12/13/2010, 04:36PM ET
DJRoxalot said 12/13, 04:36 PM
I think Newton has the talent and ability to be a successful NFL QB.
I know he had just 1 great year but Newton completed 67.1% of his passes for 215.8 ypg, 28 TD's to 6 INT's with a Passer Rating of 188.2.
242 carries for 1,409 yards, 5.8ypc, 117ypg with 20 TD's.
Should he start right away??? No, if Buffalo or Carolina took him? They should sit him for the first 8-10 games of the season and let him learn the playbook. And when they are eliminated next season (assuming there is a next season with the CBA) he could come in and play towards the end of the year.
Personally, I think he is Michael Vick-lite.
Not JaMarcus Russell 2.0. Lately everybody on here is calling him the next Russell. I saw Russell play in the NCAA and in the NFL. He played for my Raiders. And Newton is no Russell. Russell had 52 carries for 142 yards his last NCAA season at LSU. Newton? Had 1,300 more rushing yards. Newton is a far better runner.
And I think he will be a better passer as well.
BRING THE PAIN!!!
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 12/13, 11:26 PM
Let me give you some figures and numbers
Player A - 6'6 250lbs, 2589 pass yards, 67.1 comp%, 1409 rush yards, 48 total TDs
Player B - 6'5 230lbs, 3036 pass yards, 66.5 comp%, 1050 rush yards, 38 total TDs
Player C - 6'6 250lbs, 3129 pass yards, 67.8 comp%, 142 rush yards, 29 total TDs
Player D - 6'3 245lbs, 2895 pass yards, 67.8 comp%, 910 rush yards, 35 total TDs
All these players' stats are from their last year in college and all are comparable in size or stats.
Player A is Cam Newton
Player B is Vince Young
Player C is JaMarcus Russell
Player D is Tim Tebow
I don't if anyone told you lately, but none of these guys really worked out in the NFL with VY being the most successful at 26-13, but several implosions.
Mobile QBs don't translate in the NFL. The athletes in the NFL are stronger, bigger, faster. You don't have an every down, dual threat QB. Mike Vick is the closest we got and he's become successful only when he dedicated himself to pass first.
Cam Newton is similar to VY in regards that he had a big final season and his stock skyrocketed. I don't consider VY successful in the NFL and that's the road I see Newton
DJRoxalot said 12/14, 12:43 AM
"Player C is JaMarcus Russell"
Russell is not the running threat Newton is.
As bad as Russ was and is....If he could run the ball like Newton? He would be closer to Vince Young. And VY say what you want about him but VY is a winner....
"Mobile QBs don't translate in the NFL"
Michael Vick disagrees with you.
Steve Young disagrees with you.
John Elway disagrees with you.
"Mike Vick is the closest we got and he's become successful only when he dedicated himself to pass first."
He has gotten better with the Eagles. No doubt.
But to say he was not successful in Atlanta? That is a flat out lie.
38-28-1 as a Falcon QB. And an appearance in the NFC title game.
"Cam Newton is similar to VY in regards that he had a big final season and his stock skyrocketed. I don't consider VY successful in the NFL and that's the road I see Newton."
VY was looking good earlier this season. So to say he is not and cannot be a successful QB is very misleading. Regardless of what issues he might have. It took going to jail for Vick to finally realize his vast potential. Not saying VY or Newton have to go to jail but you are being a bit shortsighted in your thinking.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 12/14, 03:49 PM
DJ, you're making my points. You can name all the dual threat QBs who've made it in the NFL. Think about all of them who've tried.
The success rate is atrocious. And nothing I see in Newton suggests anything different. He's a QB who can run the ball and is a mediocre passer.
I don't know if you know this DJ, but the players in the NFL are slightly better than in college.
Mike Vick and Steve Young are the lone exceptions. They had/have the fundamentals to win games. This isn't the case right for Newton. And there are more cases of these QBs failing than these QBs succeeding.
And as I said, nothing right now leads me to believe that Newton is different. He hasn't had a game where he sat back and picked apart a defense.
Playing the QB position in the NFL requires you to be able to read coverages. That's the first key piece. If you can't do that, you're not even going to see the field. That's the problem most mobile quarterbacks face and that's something I think Newton will likely have issues with.
Sorry DJ, but Newton isn't going to make a successful jump
DJRoxalot said 12/15, 11:27 AM
"I see in Newton suggests anything different. He's a QB who can run the ball and is a mediocre passer."
Josh Freeman had a very similar profile when he came into the NFL more recently than those other QB's I listed. Freeman is 6-6 and 248 pounds. However his last year at Kansas State?
58.6%, 2,945 yards, 7.7ypa, 20 TD's to 8 INT's with a 136.5 Passer Rating
Newton completed 67.1% of his passes for 215.8 ypg, 28 TD's to 6 INT's with a Passer Rating of 188.2.
242 carries for 1,409 yards, 5.8ypc, 117ypg with 20 TD's.
Coming out of Kansas State? Many said Freeman would be a bust. He was not an accurate enough QB to be able to make the jump to the NFL.
1st year: 54.5%, 185.5ypg, 6.4ypa, 10 TD's to 18 INT's with a 59.8 Passer Rating
2nd year: 58.5%, 208.3ypg, 6.9ypa, 17 TD's to 6 INT's with an 87.8 Passer Rating
Now, I know it is popular to bash Newton because of what his dad did but you cannot deny that the kid is talented and has a chance to succeed. The Russell comparisons make me laugh....
"He hasn't had a game where he sat back and picked apart a defense."
You missed a big game.
Vs South Carolina: 17 of 28 for 335 yards, 4 TD's
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 12/15, 11:37 AM
DJ, it's simple as this.
For every Michael Vick, Steve Young, or John Elway, there's 20 Tim Tebow's or Troy Smith's
The odds are set in stone against Cam Newton. And the odds aren't good. I think you can admit that.
And nothing we've seen in college leads us to believe that he'll be a good QB in the pro's. He is the stereotypical QB in the NCAA that dominates the game but will never have a shot in the NFL. We've seen it so many times.
Personally, I just think it's a new fad. Every year, we want a storyline for the draft. Last year, it was Tebow. The year before that, it was Stafford. We want that QB storyline. But we're stretching with this one.
I can't tell you why people think Newton is any different than the past running QBs who have failed. I would hardly call a 17 for 28 performance "picking apart the defense."
Andrew Luck going 21-30 with 300 yards and 4 TDs against Oregon State is picking apart a D
Locker going 21-35 for 286 yards and 5 TDs is
Mallet going 21-33 for 380 yards and 3 TDs is
These guys sit in the pocket, read defenses, and make throws. Newton doesn't sit in the pocket, can't read coverage the same, and is prone to running. That won't work
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