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  • 12/13/2010, 04:36PM ET

Cam Newton at the next level...Success or failure?

DJRoxalot (1085-669-126) vs Rudedog: Believe The Hype (370-317-81)
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I think Newton has the talent and ability to be a successful NFL QB.

I know he had just 1 great year but Newton completed 67.1% of his passes for 215.8 ypg, 28 TD's to 6 INT's with a Passer Rating of 188.2.

242 carries for 1,409 yards, 5.8ypc, 117ypg with 20 TD's.

Should he start right away??? No, if Buffalo or Carolina took him? They should sit him for the first 8-10 games of the season and let him learn the playbook. And when they are eliminated next season (assuming there is a next season with the CBA) he could come in and play towards the end of the year.

Personally, I think he is Michael Vick-lite.

Not JaMarcus Russell 2.0. Lately everybody on here is calling him the next Russell. I saw Russell play in the NCAA and in the NFL. He played for my Raiders. And Newton is no Russell. Russell had 52 carries for 142 yards his last NCAA season at LSU. Newton? Had 1,300 more rushing yards. Newton is a far better runner.

And I think he will be a better passer as well.

Disagree???

Lets Throwdown!!!

BRING THE PAIN!!!


Let me give you some figures and numbers

Player A - 6'6 250lbs, 2589 pass yards, 67.1 comp%, 1409 rush yards, 48 total TDs
Player B - 6'5 230lbs, 3036 pass yards, 66.5 comp%, 1050 rush yards, 38 total TDs
Player C - 6'6 250lbs, 3129 pass yards, 67.8 comp%, 142 rush yards, 29 total TDs
Player D - 6'3 245lbs, 2895 pass yards, 67.8 comp%, 910 rush yards, 35 total TDs

All these players' stats are from their last year in college and all are comparable in size or stats.

Player A is Cam Newton
Player B is Vince Young
Player C is JaMarcus Russell
Player D is Tim Tebow

I don't if anyone told you lately, but none of these guys really worked out in the NFL with VY being the most successful at 26-13, but several implosions.

Mobile QBs don't translate in the NFL. The athletes in the NFL are stronger, bigger, faster. You don't have an every down, dual threat QB. Mike Vick is the closest we got and he's become successful only when he dedicated himself to pass first.

Cam Newton is similar to VY in regards that he had a big final season and his stock skyrocketed. I don't consider VY successful in the NFL and that's the road I see Newton


"Player C is JaMarcus Russell"

Russell is not the running threat Newton is.

As bad as Russ was and is....If he could run the ball like Newton? He would be closer to Vince Young. And VY say what you want about him but VY is a winner....

"Mobile QBs don't translate in the NFL"

Michael Vick disagrees with you.

Steve Young disagrees with you.

John Elway disagrees with you.

"Mike Vick is the closest we got and he's become successful only when he dedicated himself to pass first."

He has gotten better with the Eagles. No doubt.

But to say he was not successful in Atlanta? That is a flat out lie.

38-28-1 as a Falcon QB. And an appearance in the NFC title game.

"Cam Newton is similar to VY in regards that he had a big final season and his stock skyrocketed. I don't consider VY successful in the NFL and that's the road I see Newton."

VY was looking good earlier this season. So to say he is not and cannot be a successful QB is very misleading. Regardless of what issues he might have. It took going to jail for Vick to finally realize his vast potential. Not saying VY or Newton have to go to jail but you are being a bit shortsighted in your thinking.


DJ, you're making my points. You can name all the dual threat QBs who've made it in the NFL. Think about all of them who've tried.

The success rate is atrocious. And nothing I see in Newton suggests anything different. He's a QB who can run the ball and is a mediocre passer.

I don't know if you know this DJ, but the players in the NFL are slightly better than in college.

Mike Vick and Steve Young are the lone exceptions. They had/have the fundamentals to win games. This isn't the case right for Newton. And there are more cases of these QBs failing than these QBs succeeding.

And as I said, nothing right now leads me to believe that Newton is different. He hasn't had a game where he sat back and picked apart a defense.

Playing the QB position in the NFL requires you to be able to read coverages. That's the first key piece. If you can't do that, you're not even going to see the field. That's the problem most mobile quarterbacks face and that's something I think Newton will likely have issues with.

Sorry DJ, but Newton isn't going to make a successful jump


"I see in Newton suggests anything different. He's a QB who can run the ball and is a mediocre passer."

Josh Freeman had a very similar profile when he came into the NFL more recently than those other QB's I listed. Freeman is 6-6 and 248 pounds. However his last year at Kansas State?

58.6%, 2,945 yards, 7.7ypa, 20 TD's to 8 INT's with a 136.5 Passer Rating

Newton completed 67.1% of his passes for 215.8 ypg, 28 TD's to 6 INT's with a Passer Rating of 188.2.

242 carries for 1,409 yards, 5.8ypc, 117ypg with 20 TD's.

Coming out of Kansas State? Many said Freeman would be a bust. He was not an accurate enough QB to be able to make the jump to the NFL.

1st year: 54.5%, 185.5ypg, 6.4ypa, 10 TD's to 18 INT's with a 59.8 Passer Rating
2nd year: 58.5%, 208.3ypg, 6.9ypa, 17 TD's to 6 INT's with an 87.8 Passer Rating

Now, I know it is popular to bash Newton because of what his dad did but you cannot deny that the kid is talented and has a chance to succeed. The Russell comparisons make me laugh....

"He hasn't had a game where he sat back and picked apart a defense."

You missed a big game.

Vs South Carolina: 17 of 28 for 335 yards, 4 TD's


DJ, it's simple as this.

For every Michael Vick, Steve Young, or John Elway, there's 20 Tim Tebow's or Troy Smith's

The odds are set in stone against Cam Newton. And the odds aren't good. I think you can admit that.

And nothing we've seen in college leads us to believe that he'll be a good QB in the pro's. He is the stereotypical QB in the NCAA that dominates the game but will never have a shot in the NFL. We've seen it so many times.

Personally, I just think it's a new fad. Every year, we want a storyline for the draft. Last year, it was Tebow. The year before that, it was Stafford. We want that QB storyline. But we're stretching with this one.

I can't tell you why people think Newton is any different than the past running QBs who have failed. I would hardly call a 17 for 28 performance "picking apart the defense."

Andrew Luck going 21-30 with 300 yards and 4 TDs against Oregon State is picking apart a D
Locker going 21-35 for 286 yards and 5 TDs is
Mallet going 21-33 for 380 yards and 3 TDs is

These guys sit in the pocket, read defenses, and make throws. Newton doesn't sit in the pocket, can't read coverage the same, and is prone to running. That won't work

December 13, 2010  04:37 PM ET

Question: Does he have the maturity? I listened to his interview last week on the radio, when he was being asked about his dad and stuff......Something about the kid is fishy.

December 13, 2010  04:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Question: Does he have the maturity? I listened to his interview last week on the radio, when he was being asked about his dad and stuff......Something about the kid is fishy.

it's not an issue that he will be able to sweep under the rug, either, and will probably dog him for years.

December 13, 2010  05:00 PM ET

I think he should spend the next two years in jail. It helped vick!

December 13, 2010  05:18 PM ET

Alec, if you do not want it? Please drop it and do not let it die....

December 13, 2010  05:34 PM ET

My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that are unnoticed. Really?

But seriously his fundamentals are crap. Worse than Tebow's, at least his might be fixable.

December 13, 2010  05:45 PM ET

How do you know that DJ?

December 13, 2010  06:02 PM ET

A Vick-Lite? More like a Vick-Husky. 6 ft tall versus 6-6 is not even close to comparing.

December 13, 2010  06:07 PM ET

i sure hope so

December 13, 2010  06:32 PM ET

If Newton want's to be a great NFL QB he can, he has all the physical gifts. Arm strength and speed are things you can't teach or coach and he has both. If he works at it he can be great.

December 13, 2010  06:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

If Newton want's to be a great NFL QB he can, he has all the physical gifts. Arm strength and speed are things you can't teach or coach and he has both. If he works at it he can be great.

I LOLed at your name: ahhh 7-5. Glad you can chuckle at the expense of your team.

December 13, 2010  07:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I LOLed at your name: ahhh 7-5. Glad you can chuckle at the expense of your team.

A average record has become the norm, very excited about the Al Golden hiring

December 13, 2010  07:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

If Newton want's to be a great NFL QB he can, he has all the physical gifts. Arm strength and speed are things you can't teach or coach and he has both. If he works at it he can be great.

Will address this...

December 13, 2010  07:03 PM ET

Stay tuned, Fan Nation!!!

December 13, 2010  08:12 PM ET

Cam Newton would look sick in a Panthers jersey

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December 13, 2010  09:10 PM ET

Newton is going pro for ONE reason: he runs the risk of being ineligible at AU

otherwise he'd do what Tebow did and stick around 1 more year.

Cam MIGHT slip in the late 1st round...but there are other better pro style QBs ahead of him.

he isnt as smart as tebow, he isnt as fast as Vick, he doesnt have the mosr accurate arm of his peers.

but someone will think he'll be the next mike vick and they'll take a shot.

I cant WAIT to see Cam get nailed by Ray Lewis or caught from behind by an NFL d-lineman who can run a sub 5 40

December 13, 2010  09:32 PM ET

I love when people talk about QB's getting nailed by Ray Lewis these days like its Ray Lewis circa 2000 doing the nailing. Getting hit by Lewis these days isn't nearly as bad as it once was. Now if you had said see him getting nailed by a Patrick Willis or Clay Matthews or something that would be a more accurate statement.

December 14, 2010  12:06 AM ET
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Newton is going pro for ONE reason: he runs the risk of being ineligible at AUotherwise he'd do what Tebow did and stick around 1 more year.Cam MIGHT slip in the late 1st round...but there are other better pro style QBs ahead of him. he isnt as smart as tebow, he isnt as fast as Vick, he doesnt have the mosr accurate arm of his peers.but someone will think he'll be the next mike vick and they'll take a shot.I cant WAIT to see Cam get nailed by Ray Lewis or caught from behind by an NFL d-lineman who can run a sub 5 40

RACIST.

December 14, 2010  12:06 AM ET

Not as smart as Tebow? And you know this how?

 
December 14, 2010  12:55 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Newton is going pro for ONE reason: he runs the risk of being ineligible at AUotherwise he'd do what Tebow did and stick around 1 more year.Cam MIGHT slip in the late 1st round...but there are other better pro style QBs ahead of him. he isnt as smart as tebow, he isnt as fast as Vick, he doesnt have the mosr accurate arm of his peers.but someone will think he'll be the next mike vick and they'll take a shot.I cant WAIT to see Cam get nailed by Ray Lewis or caught from behind by an NFL d-lineman who can run a sub 5 40

Translation: Cam beat 'Bama and somebody is a little bent about it.

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