- 12/24/2010, 04:39AM ET
(KMac) Lame Sauce said 12/24, 04:46 AM
1. Philadelphia Phillies
2. San Francisco Giants
3. Oakland Athletics
4. Tampa Bay Rays
5. Boston Red Sox
6. Milwaukee Brewers
7. Detroit Tigers
8a. Atlanta Braves
8b. St. Louis Cardinals
10a. Los Angeles Dodgers
10b. Chicago White Sox
Now please tell me how you figure that the Brewers, Tigers, Dodgers, and White Sox are ahead of the Angels? Let's look at the rotations of just the Angels and Dodgers.
Angels- Weaver, Haren, Santana, Pineiro, and Kazmir
Brewers- Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf, Parra
Granted the Brewers added Marcum and Greinke, but I don't see what the fuss is all about over either of those two. They are completely average pitchers. If you look at their career stats, not to mention recent years, with the exception of Greinke's Cy Young season, they've been middle of the rotation starters if not worse.
Yeah, Kazmir sucks now, but he used to be a damn good pitcher and he's still only 26. He's younger than Greinke and has had a better career and therefore (drumroll) can regain his talent better than somebody who hasn't been a very good pitcher his whole career. More to come.
Chello said 12/24, 09:11 AM
With the Brewers there are less question marks. You know what you are getting and in most rotation all the pitchers are no less than a 3. Haren is good but has a injury history. Kazmir hasn't been good for a year and a half. His velocity has dropped. The Brewers pitchers have more quality starts than the Angels over the past year. Less injury concerns. Better innings eaters. After Weaver and Santana there are questions. The Brewers group have been more consistent and are more likely to be what they have always have been. While with Haren, Pinero, and Kazmir the potential is interesting...
(KMac) Lame Sauce said 12/24, 05:38 PM
Please tell me how Dan Haren has an injury history. He's started at least 30 games since becoming an everyday starter with the A's. And Joel Piniero? He's had one season where he hasn't started more than 20, which is pretty good considering he was used as a relief pitcher a lot in his career.
And yes, Kazmir's velocity is down, and the Ray's may have used up his usefullness, but we can always plug in a young guy to replace him. As it stands right now, Kazmir isn't a horrible number 5 starter. He's not Zito yet.
Let's look at the Brewers. Greinke hasn't really had an injury history, but he has had a history of mental health problems. I don't mean this to be a low blow, but I don't want somebody like that on my team. It has the potential to cause too many problems.
Marcum, I admit has been pretty durable, but he's nothing more than a solid middle rotation guy.
Wolf does have an injury history, only starting an average of 12 games between 2005-2008, and the dude is 34. I would consider him a question mark.
Parra... Career ERA 5.13 BAA .286... nuff said.
Chello said 12/24, 06:19 PM
I was thinking harden about injury history. However, Marcum could easily be a number one. He pitched in the AL East and should feast in the NL. Greinke is another AL pitcher who should see a spike in his numbers. Take those two over Weaver and Haren. Gallardo is just coming into his own. Santana is coming down. Ill give you pinero over wolf and parra v kazmir is a wash. Top three for the Brewers: younger and less expensive.
(KMac) Lame Sauce said 12/25, 09:51 AM
Marcum could be a #1 on the Pirates or Astros, but that's about it. Let's look at the other number ones across the NL. Halladay, Lincecum, Hudson, Carpenter, Santana, Kershaw, Johnson, or Jimenez. Marcum is no more than a number 3 starter.
You say that the Brewer's top three is younger when in reality they have the same average age. You say that they're cheaper, $13.5 million to Greinke in the next two years and Gallardo signed a 5 year $30 million deal.
Weaver just signed a 1 year $4 million deal to avoid arbitration and Haren has a 4 year $44 million deal.
While Haren's contract is large, 4 million to Weaver is a damn good price to pay for one of the best pitchers in baseball. You add both contracts up and the Angels are only paying 4 mil extra for a better 1-2 punch.
Chello said 12/25, 06:39 PM
ummm 8 mil to Kazmir and pinero and 6mil to santana....22mil next year for your 3, 4, and 5 starters.you conveniently forget to put in. you are also paying haren 8mil....weaver is a good bargain ...1 out of 5......Greinke 7 and wolf is at 8...every else is under 1 million...lets do the math Angels approx 35m....Brewers approx 18 million same production/ half the money
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