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  • September 11, 2007 04:00 PM ET

LSU will not be ranked #1 unless they win the title game or USC loses.

How 'bout 'em (9-13-0) vs bderden (0-7-0)
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The title is as the title does (I know that makes little to no sense).

Even if Nebraska plays USC closely but USC still wins, USC will still be ranked #1. Margin of victory plays little significance in the polls compared to preseason rankings. A close win over Nebraska will tell pollsters:"Nebraska could be a quality team, and USC showed good determination against a good team." and they will forget about LSU's victory over VT for a moment b/c their attention shifted.

Pollsters are too stubborn to pull a switcheroo unless USC loses in the regular season or in the title game to LSU.


I think you are over looking one area. there are three ways USC can drop this year without losing before Oct. 6th. Now is it going to happen, we just have to sit back and see.

Here are the 3 ways.
1. USC goes into overtime with any of their next 4 games
2. There is a high scoring game with Washington State, Washington, or Stanford.
(for ex. 52-49 USC)
3. USC has a bad game against Stanford and LSU blows out Florida on Oct. 6.

If any of these things happen, the top 5 will look like this:
1. LSU
2. Oklahoma
3. USC
4. W.V.
5. Florida-if 1 or 2
5. Texas- if 3 and they don't have any more bad games like thier first one.


Yeah man, I'm not gonna even try to predict the top 5. All I'm dealing with is USC and LSU right now. Once one of those teams lose, then that'll be a whole other argument.

If we take a look at the past few years, we'll see that the #1 team was not taken out of the top spot. In 2004, USC won 31-28 to an unranked Stanford team, and USC beat an unranked UCLA 29-24 and still retained the top spot regardless of Oklahoma tearing everyone up. These are not as high scoring as you say, but they are still too close for comfort, much too close for comfort. USC had so many close calls and bad first halfs in the 2005 season against ND, Fresno State, and Oregon, but they still kept their #1 position w/ a #2 Texas team that blew almost all of their opponents out of the water. I can give more examples of it happening.

All that really matters is that big W. Since USC was #1 going into the season, they will only drop out of it if they get a big L.

Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, WIN!!!!!! (that's What We're here to Witness)


Yes what you say is true, but when was the last time a #2 team demolished a #9 team and a possible #3 or #4 team when they play Florida. (which I do not think LSU will blow Fla. out of the water) It is hypothetical only.

Also when USC played those two teams thier Defense held those teams to under 30 points. I mean when a great Offense has a bad game, they normally can still put up 2 or 3 TDs while the Defense adds another. This also shows both sides of the team.

If the Offense get into trouble, the Defense has to help out. That is what really difines a #1 team. Also there is an old saying, "Offense wins games, Defense wins championships"

That is also why all the polls suck. They never account for the Defense.


Ok, after a little more research, you'll see that the #2 team still hasn't surpassed the #1 after the #2 beat a top ranked opponent. In 2004, #2 Oklahoma shut out a #9 ranked Texas team 12-0. In 2005, #2 Texas beat a #10 Texas Tech 52-17 and a #4 Ohio State team 25-22. The #1 hasn't struggled simultaneously when the #2 beat a quality opponent.

#2 has not passed #1 so far in the BCS with #1 struggling and #2 whomping, so it won't happen this year either.


Again, we are talking hypothetically, and when Oklahoma won, that was the same thing with LSU and VT. When Texas spanked Texas Tech they were only a #10 team, and not a top ten team annually. And when Texas beat #4 OSU it was a close game, not a blow out.

I believe if LSU whoops FU by more than 5 TDs and USC only wins by a TD or Feild goal on the same week, then the AP will have no other choice to give the #1 ranking to LSU. If they don't they know they will truly have no respect by the American fan. But hey what true NCAA fan respects them now anyways.

Truth be told, LSU is the #1 team in most everyone's personl poll anyway. Besides, to compare Texas' 2004 national champion team and this years LSU team is not rational, but that is another TD.

September 11, 2007  04:20 PM ET

That poll is also based on only if the teams are undefeated, If FU gets beat they should drop 4-5 spots. LSU is a dominate team this year. but the only team that can beat them will be an SEC team but only because of the history they have with each other.

September 11, 2007  04:28 PM ET

As long as the two teams continue winning, whether they are #1 or #2 is not important. #1 meets #2 in the BCS game, so they are basically both ranked #1 until the BCS game is complete. In season rankings beyond #1 or #2 are completely meaningless.

September 11, 2007  04:30 PM ET

So why did Wisconsin or Texas fall in the polls?

September 11, 2007  04:41 PM ET

If USC wins a close game LSU passes them. LSU gained lots of ground in the latest poll, closing the gap in the AP poll from about 70 to 12.

That means, only 6 voters need to change their minds and it is a tie. It may not happen, but it can if USC plays a close one, Vote to bderden

September 11, 2007  04:45 PM ET

Let us all take a moment to remember the lives lost on 9/11/01. It was a short six years ago. The pain might never go away but we must become stronger as a nation because of it. I feel this has to be mentioned. It affected everyone, not just those who lost friends and family to the terroristic attacks. R.I.P.

September 11, 2007  05:37 PM ET

The polls are so dumb. What happens if LSU keeps Middle Tennessee to 10 points or less does anyone consider moving Louisville down? Why are their teams with no defense in the top 5 when teams like LSU,OU, and USC are suppose to be dominant on both sides of the ball. When are we really going to know how good WV is if they don't play any elite defenses?

September 11, 2007  06:08 PM ET

These are all very good questions. Questions that could probably be answered with a playoff system. Even just a plus one system would suffice.

Thank you for that ,GOAT. I took a moment just b/c of your message.

September 11, 2007  09:04 PM ET

Hey commenters!!!!! Look here!!!!

John Gruden
-What you say is very true, but it makes a difference to some people (I would tend to think that it would matter to LSU fans mostly, hence the StealthLSU comment).

StealthLSU
- Is the AP poll even factorred into the BCS equation? Nope. They withdrew their poll after last season. Now the AP poll is about as meaningless as a poll I make on my fannation blog, so they will do whatever they can to get some attention and sell their paper or website space. Talking about the AP poll means next to nothing when talking about REAL rankings.

September 11, 2007  09:11 PM ET

bderden
-Wisconsin and Texas fell b/c they are not ranked #1/2 (or #1/1 as John Gruden pointed out). The #1 and #2 spots are the king of the hill spots, think back to 2004 when Auburn got through a tough SEC schedule unbeaten and was still #3 in the polls. Why were USC and Oklahoma #1 and #2 respectively? Oh yeah, they went into the season at 1 and 2.

September 11, 2007  09:11 PM ET

I might use that last comment as my next argument.

September 11, 2007  10:09 PM ET

Yes what you say is true, but when was the last time a #2 team demolished a #9 team and a possible #3 or #4 team when they play Florida. (which I do not think LSU will blow Fla. out of the water) It is hypothetical only.

Also when USC played those two teams thier Defense held those teams to under 30 points. I mean when a great Offense has a bad game, they normally can still put up 2 or 3 TDs while the Defense adds another. This also shows both sides of the team.

If the Offense get into trouble, the Defense has to help out. That is what really difines a #1 team. Also there is an old saying, "Offense wins games, Defense wins championships"

That is also why all the polls suck. They never account for the Defense.

September 11, 2007  10:09 PM ET

my bad

September 11, 2007  11:19 PM ET

your TD statement says it all. that is pretty much a given.
USC #1 all the way...

September 12, 2007  01:53 AM ET

why uw and wsu, uw is a quality team as they have proven beating a top 25 team easily. WSU managed to keep the wisconson game close and there supposed to be a top 5 geam. USC had close games with them both last year. WSU's hail mary failed, UW never got to throw their as time ran out, both for the win. While Stanford they suck, and Oregon State is overrated as they proved in the Cincinatti game thsoe are the weak links of the Pac-10

September 12, 2007  11:58 AM ET

There have been no instances of a undefeated #2 passing an undefeated #1; that's my main point.

Is there a chance of USC falling to #2 if they beat Stanford closely while LSU whoops up on #5 Florida? Maybe. It's never happened before though, and the past is probably the best and only indicator we have of the future. The probability of that perfect scenario happening is so small. It's about as small as Lloyd's chances of getting with Mary Swanson in Dumb&Dumber, but there's still a chance. I just don't think that small chance is enough to raise a sufficient reasonable doubt that LSU will become #1 if USC doesn't lose.

September 12, 2007  12:02 PM ET

And since #2 has never beaten a top opponent while #1 was struggling, we have no idea what will happen if thsoe two occurances happen simulatneously. You can guess, but we don't know for sure. We do know that the #1 does not fall if it is struggling, and that the #2 does not go up if it kills a top ranked opponent. Maybe we can infer that #1 still wouldn't fall to #2 in a simultaneous occurance.

September 12, 2007  12:22 PM ET

I know we are talking reality, but has anyone played NCAA08 football? I mean I have been ranked #1 in one week, the next week have off, and the next week win by 2 TDs and then the following week drop to #2 until Nat. Champ. game. I mean hypothetically this could happen to USC. Unlikely? yes, but it could happen. You even agree with me. So I believe the vote and TD should go the BDERDEN.

September 12, 2007  12:26 PM ET

vote goes to how bout em for a couple of reasons. this other guy doesnt know his facts. texas won the national championship in 2005, not 2004. and virginia tech just isnt very good this year.

September 12, 2007  12:30 PM ET

I didn't agree with you. I said that there is a very very very very very small chance of USC struggling against Stanford and LSU whooping Florida on the same weekend. I then said that even if it did happen, we would have no idea what the rankings would look like b/c it has never happened before.

We can also argue, "Will Stanford play USC close while LSU beats the p*oo out of Florida?" And I will say no, and you can say yes. Then we'll see who wins that throwdown. I'd have to say that I'd be the favorite. Stanford will not play USC close, and LSUvFlorida will not be a blowout (maybe even an upset); that's what will most likely happen.

 
September 12, 2007  12:37 PM ET

Oh yeah, the AP is not factorred into the BCS equation anymore, they pulled their poll out of it after last season (the AP is just trying to mix it up to create controversy to sell papers and website space, why do you think that this TD was not even in the 'In Progress' section? SI is part of the AP poll, and I've been dogging it.) That and like bigdleech said, Texas won the BCS for the 2005 regular season.

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