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  • 01/07/2011, 06:00PM ET

Ohio State president Gordon Gee is right.

Agrippa: (120-61-23) vs Confucius. Trout (36-53-11)
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Much is being made of TCU's and their alumni recently advertising TCU's victory on electronic billboards in Ohio after Ohio State president Gordon Gee insinuated Boise State and TCU build their resum??s on "the Little Sisters of the Poor"

Im sure this has been visited endlessly, let us rehash it again for debates sake.

There have been several peers, friends, bloggers, columnist claiming TCU and Boise State can play with the big boys. False, but yet true.

My assertion is they do not belong till they can prove they belong.

When gaining factual evidence, its know you have to have good statistical analysis over a specified period of time.

No one can dispute mid majors can in fact get up and play ONE game against a major conference.

We have seen it happen.(BSU/OU, App State/MI,TCU/WI,Utah/Bama)

Mid majors are proven because they can get up for one game?

True, there may be one to two real elite teams in each major conference, but getting through the "average AQ teams" every year (who are still better than most mid major teams) is a REAL test.

Teams that have actual NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

Till they can do that, they will never "belong".


You have a point, but here's mine.

Does it really matter WHO you play? No.

It matters HOW you play, same letters, different meaning.

And in the case of Boise and TCU, they BLOW OUT those mid major teams. Even good mid major teams.

Did you see TCU's **** whooping of Utah? A good team that'll be headed to the Pac-10. In-fact, TCU had only 3 games with margins of victory less than 17 points, that's domination.

Boise lost 1 game, due to their kicker, to a mid major (Nevada) who ranks 15th in the nation, and had just 2 other games where the margin of victory was less than 17 points.

It's not like they're squeaking past these teams.

If a mid major is doing these types of things, they most certainly belong.

And more to the point, when your argument is "they don't play anybody" you can't discredit the W when they do beat someone because "it's just 1 game".

If that's the flawed logic you want to use, go right ahead, but it's not right. Even Gordon Gee himself admitted he didn't know what he was talking about"

"What do I know about college football? I look like Orville Redenbacher. I have no business talking about college football,"


"Does it really matter WHO you play? No." - Yes! Very much so. Facing elite players week in and week out takes a toll on your teams overall stamina and health. The rigmarole's of playing against future NFL talent depletes your heath substantially.

The attrition BCS AQ teams face throughout the year is considerably more than that of a mid major.

Mid Majors, though obviously physically exert themselves, but they do it to a lesser extent, thus allowing them to come into their bowl game with less adversity faced.

When you think about the obstacles BCS AQ teams face within conference , there is no question Mid Majors have an easier road, thus making their path easier.

Picture a Boise State team that had to face a Justin Blackmon then the very next weak facing Ryan Broyles. These are players that can take over a game any given play and are far more athletic than any WR they would face all year.

Point being, Mid Majors do not consistently face superior athleticism.

The anomalies such as TCU, Boise and Utah have surfaced. If I was wrong, you would see a new mid majors dominate every other year as we see in the SEC and Big 12.


Wow.

You act like Boise and TCU play nobody all year long.

Boise played Vs. Virgina Tech (won the ACC), Oregon state, Hawii, Nevada, and Utah

5 games against pretty good teams, that's more than you'd find for a team in the Big East or the ACC, 2 AQ conferences.

TCU played Vs. Oregon state, Air force (9-4 and beat GT), Utah, San Diego state (9-4 and won bowl), and Wisconsin

Also played 5 pretty good teams.


Seriously, do you not think these teams could win the Big East or the ACC?

UConn won the Big East! Do you think they have superior athletes?

Virgina Tech, a team Boise beat, won the ACC, and then got blown out in their bowl game.

Both of these AQ conferences are awful, and I'd say TCU (will) and Boise (could) dominate one of these conferences.

I'm not saying that all the conferences are equal, I'm saying that a great team from a weaker conference could compete with the big schools.


Yes, BSU did in fact beat Tech,with a last minute miracle drive. Considering VTech is one of the weaker teams in an AQ conf., not such an amazing feat nor a prime example to refute my claims.

"UConn.. superior athletes?" - Again, you are veering away from the argument. This is not about one team,it's about a full season and facing superior talent.

Losing to Nevada and barley beating OSU and Tech does not indicate you can.

Do you think BSU comes out with wins facing Florida, LSU, Auburn, Alabama when they barley beat Tech who is 7-30 against top 10 teams?

Since 1996, the Broncos are 7-15 against BCS schools. Since 2002, Boise is 6-7 vs. BCS schools and have an all time 0-4 record vs. the SEC.

So if you can pull your attention away from flash in the pan, this indicates in BCS conference play they would be somewhere close to being a .500 team.

2/3rds of the training camp talent this year came from the 6 major conf. and on average each BCS school can claim close to 30 players who made it to an NFL camp.

Mid Maj. are a product of great coaching , average athletes. Most AQ teams consist of great coaching ,above average athletes. Ill take the latter in vegas.


"Again, you are veering away from the argument."

No I'm not. You said that these great mid major teams couldn't hold up while playing in an AQ conference, and I'm pointing out that Uconn won an AQ conference

And I liked how you completely avoided the point I was making. Does UConn have superior talent than TCU and Boise? if you say yes, then you are doing so just to be contrary

"Do you think BSU comes out with wins facing Florida, LSU, Auburn, Alabama when they barley beat Tech who is 7-30 against top 10 teams?"

Now who's veering off topic?

This has nothing to do with the SEC, this has to do with all AQ Conferences. Not every AQ conference is as good as the SEC, in fact the ACC and Big East are much closer to the talent level of a non AQ conference

Would they be competitive in the SEC? Maybe if they played in the East (they had a real down year)

Could they win the ACC or Big East? No question about it

I love how you belittle a win over the eventual champ of an AQ conference by saying "Considering VTech is one of the weaker teams in an AQ conf."

That's my whole point!!!

Not all AQ conferences are equal, and your TD includes the bad ones

January 7, 2011  06:00 PM ET

First TD I have started in forever. Take it easy on me.

January 7, 2011  06:08 PM ET

Teams like TCU and Boise are still playing against good DI football teams. I really feel like people forget that, people act as if they play a DIAA schedule. Yes Their conference's are weak but don't tell me playing a MWC or a WAC schedule won't beat up your team because it absolutley will.

Besides Boise beat VA Tech in their opener, a game, before VA Tech had played any other games and therefore they should have been fresh and ready to play and Boise won...

January 7, 2011  06:09 PM ET

He still wears those silly bow-ties though.

January 7, 2011  06:12 PM ET

I might take this

January 7, 2011  06:14 PM ET

Left is a noob. Someone should take this and dominate him, it's basically an easy win.

January 7, 2011  06:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Left is a noob. Someone should take this and dominate him, it's basically an easy win.

Your being sarcastic right? Agrippa is one well respected member

January 7, 2011  06:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Left is a noob. Someone should take this and dominate him, it's basically an easy win.

*LOL, looking around for sarcasm button*

Both these TD'ers are experienced guys at this....

January 7, 2011  06:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

*LOL, looking around for sarcasm button*Both these TD'ers are experienced guys at this....

The only things Grip is experienced at are violating men and running from border patrol. Not TDs.

January 7, 2011  06:26 PM ET

Some people will never be satisfied. TCU went 13-0, dominated everybody except for a plucky SDSU team and a well-respected Wisconsin team, and the snobs' verdict is basically 'They got lucky.'

Guess what.... football is all about deciding things based on one game. Otherwise they'd play a series for the championship.

January 7, 2011  06:26 PM ET

I don't live anywhere near TCU or Boise but with PAC-10 expanding and the Big 12 losing two teams I never heard any news about Boise wanting to join the PAC-10 or TCU wanting to join the Big 12. If they want to be treated with respect step up and join one of the big conferences. If not, don't cry when people question your schedule strength.

January 7, 2011  06:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

*LOL, looking around for sarcasm button*Both these TD'ers are experienced guys at this....

I didn't get that vibe from this TD.

Trust me, you'll know when I'm sarcastic.

January 7, 2011  06:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I don't live anywhere near TCU or Boise but with PAC-10 expanding and the Big 12 losing two teams I never heard any news about Boise wanting to join the PAC-10 or TCU wanting to join the Big 12. If they want to be treated with respect step up and join one of the big conferences. If not, don't cry when people question your schedule strength.

People that keep saying this don't know the facts and are assuming. Universities cannot just decide to join a conference, they have to be invited. Boise's stadium, fanbase, and academics do not meet the standards of a major conference like the PAC or the Big-12

January 7, 2011  06:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I don't live anywhere near TCU or Boise but with PAC-10 expanding and the Big 12 losing two teams I never heard any news about Boise wanting to join the PAC-10 or TCU wanting to join the Big 12. If they want to be treated with respect step up and join one of the big conferences. If not, don't cry when people question your schedule strength.

TCU's joining the Big East.

January 7, 2011  06:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Some people will never be satisfied. TCU went 13-0, dominated everybody except for a plucky SDSU team and a well-respected Wisconsin team, and the snobs' verdict is basically 'They got lucky.'Guess what.... football is all about deciding things based on one game. Otherwise they'd play a series for the championship.

Totally respect your opinion, although I totally disagree. Ill save it for the argument. I've never been one to argue a TD in the treads.

January 7, 2011  06:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Left is a noob. Someone should take this and dominate him, it's basically an easy win.

You smelly ginger. Still pissed at the world cause you are soulless.

January 7, 2011  06:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

TCU's joining the Big East.

What up Confucius? Been a while.

January 7, 2011  06:48 PM ET

my thing is that in a BCS schedule you face better competition week in and week out... teams like Florida, Penn State, Iowa, Texas and Georgia were all outside of the top 25 yet EVERY one of those programs will produce MULTIPLE NFL players from their current rosters... in schools like Nevada, New Mexico State and La Tech you have maybe 1 guy that gets a practice squad spot.

Simply taking the beating from bigger, faster and stronger teams week in and week out doesn't compare to 12 easy games and getting fired up for the 1 tough one.

January 7, 2011  06:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

What up Confucius? Been a while.

Nothing much.

Bored out of my mind.

January 7, 2011  06:51 PM ET

the actual problem here is that in theory a loss by 3 points in triple OT to the #1 team in the nation will send a team backwards (even cost you a title hope) while beating a 1 win team in triple OT by 3 keeps you alive... B/c of this teams won't schedule tough match ups week in and week out (why would Alabama and Ohio State play? loser is out, Bama could play Chattanooga State and OSU play Akron and they are both still in the hunt for those millions in the BCS)
By the same respect if Boise and TCU joined top tier conferences they won't get into BCS bowls year after year... no reason to make a change.

 
January 7, 2011  07:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

People that keep saying this don't know the facts and are assuming. Universities cannot just decide to join a conference, they have to be invited. Boise's stadium, fanbase, and academics do not meet the standards of a major conference like the PAC or the Big-12

If that is the case lets compare Boise with Washington St. Boise stadium 33,500 Wash St. stadium 35,117 thats pretty equal. Fanbase, I will use undergrads numbers Boise 17,349 Wash St. 21,726 pretty close also with a slight edge to Wash St. I don't know what the academics standards are for the Pac 10 but Im willing to guess that if they wanted to join the Pac 10 Boise could make the changes. Yes, they need to be invited but school officals and booster can work the phones and the press saying that they are interested. Which I dont hear.

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