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DJRoxalot said 01/14, 07:02 PM
We are protected by something called the First Amendment. It protects Freedom of Speech. No matter how heinous it is.

*Even an organization like the **** has the right to Freedom of Speech, as much as I hate to say that*

And I read what he said.

Did he say anything so awful? No, he gave his OPINION. We all have one. You are well known on here for your SEC homerism/opinion.

"I get it...Suggs is trying to talk trash, grab some headlines, and help his QB get some good press."

Suggs? He plays for the Ravens. Big Ben plays for the Steelers.

Not his QB....

"Big Ben has 1 pro bowl..he's never led the league in pass rating, TDs, completions"

Big Ben's 72-30 regular season record is nothing to sneeze at. He has been very impressive, especially when you consider where he came from.

"Brady has over 100 more TDs, a lower INT%, over 10,000 +yds"

Brady has played in 11 seasons.

Big Ben? Just finished playing in his 7th season.

"fyi Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer also have SB rings...are they better than Marino?"

Big Ben has multiple SB's. Johnson and Dilfer each have just one.

DJRoxalot said 01/15, 10:44 AM
"i said he was W_R_O_N_G

yes, you are free to be WRONG in america"

Many would say you are WRONG about your blatant SEC homerism. But you know what? Nobody can really knock you for voicing your opinion because of the First Amendment. It might get old (since it seems like over 50% of your TD's are about it) but it is your right to voice your feelings and opinion.

He does deserve to be mentioned among the best.

I went easy on the stats in the opener but here we go:

Brady, 63.6%, 239ypg, 7.4ypa, 261 TD's to 103 INT's with a 95.2 Passer Rating

Manning, 64.9%, 263ypg, 7.6ypa, 399 TD's to 198 INT's with a 94.9 Passer Rating

Ben, 63.1%, 227ypg, 8.0ypa, 144 TD's to 86 INT's with a 92.5 Passer Rating

Ben deserves to be listed among the best in the game. He does not throw as much as Brady or Manning but his ypg are right there with Brady.

His ypa is better than both QB's and he is an underrated scrambler. 3.3ypc is not that impressive but it is much better than both QB's. And he comes up big with runs to keep drives alive.

Big Ben is 8-2 in the playoffs (80%).

Brady is 14-4 (77.7%) and Peyton is 9-10 (47.3%)

DJRoxalot said 01/16, 11:28 AM
"Big Ben is in the top of the 2nd tier.....but he does NOT deserve to be in the top 3"

Did I say he was Top 3? I did not think so.

Only 3 Elite QB's out of 32? I think Top 5 is a better classification of Elite QB's and Ben is definitely Top 5.

Second Tier is 6-10 and the third Tier is 11-15.

"PRO BOWLS
Ben-1
Mann-11
Brady-6"

Ben plays in the AFC where Brady and Manning are much more popular. And being a Pro Bowler? We all know it is a popularity contest and Ben cannot compete with those other 2 QB's.

I do not think that matters ultimately in the big scheme of things.

You have to look at a QB and the era he played in. And Ben has gone from being a game manager his first few years to a QB that can win the game for his team.

Big Ben in the playoffs?

61.8%, 223.9ypg, 8.1ypa, 15 TD's, 12 INT's with a 87.2 Passer Rating (Not counting yesterday)

You want to know how much he has improved?

Take away his rookie year and his numbers:

62.9%, 229ypg, 8.2ypa, 12 TD's, 7 INT's with a 92.0 Passer Rating

Bottom line, Suggs is entitled to his opinion and if you look at what he said? It was not all that bad.

Get over it, Bear.