Lifer: A Special Boy said 09/12, 03:25 PM
I'm going to have to go with all-time rushing yards. It is, I feel, most well-known record in the NFL, and the most anticipated as far as breaking it goes. Everyone here remember when Emmit Smith was on the verge of breaking it? There really was only a bit less fanfare than when Barry Bonds was going for 756, though it might have been the same had Barry not been surrounded by a steroid controversy at the same time.
Sorry this took so long, Bio, I completely forgot about it.
Bio1590 said 09/12, 10:04 PM
If you were going to use "Yards", why not "Yards from Scrimmage"? Anyways, that's not my argument.
Jerry Rice. 207 Total TDs. Second place is Emmitt Smith with 175.
It took Jerry 222 games to get to 179, which would still stand as the record by 4. That's about 0.8 TDs/game, and mind you, he's a WR, that's brilliantly amazing.
LDT, in 96 games, is averaging 1.2 TDs/game. There's no way he keeps that pace up. To score those 95 TDs he'd need another 80 games. Now that's only 5 years, but in 5 years LDT will be 33. Anything can happen in 5 years, but I can tell you one thing; LDT won't keep up his pace and won't reach 207 TDs.
It's probably unbreakable.
Lifer: A Special Boy said 09/12, 10:13 PM
Yards from scrimmage is too trivial for the average NFL fan, not stat junkies like us on Fannation.
As great as the TD record is, it is neither the most important nor the most hyped (although no one has come that close, so I can see why that wouldn't matter as of now). It isn't about the most unbreakable record, it is the most important, the one which matters the most, and the rushing yardage record gets the most national media. Much, much fewer people than you think even know how close Brett Favre is to breaking the total passing yards record, total wins record and total TDs record, and he's getting very little fanfare, just to give you perspective on the rushing record, and all the fanfare around it.
Bio1590 said 09/12, 11:03 PM
Fanfare doesn't make it important, it just means it's popular.
And I'm pretty sure you're exagerating. Favre is one of the best QBs of his generation. I'm sure there's quite a few people who know Brett needs like 3700 yards, 1 win, and 7 TDs.
And the fact that it is probably unbreakable IS why it is important. Rice is the highest non-scoring kicker (1242 points) of all time. It's one thing to own a record. It's another to own it by 32 TDs. It's even more important when the next closest WR has 130, 77 less than you.
That's why it's so important. Because of how much MORE than the rest he has and how MUCH MORE he has then the next closest man at his position.
Lifer: A Special Boy said 09/13, 04:52 PM
On the contrary, fanfare does make it important. Who wants to break a record that no one has heard of or pays attention to? Breaking a record that is important to the fans makes it important to the players.
And yes, quite a few people do know of Favre's soon-to-be 3 new records. But Emmit Smith broke ONE record, and he had a ton more fanfare than Favre has right now.
Jerry Rice's total TD record is important, certainly, but there are two factors that in my opinion make it less so than mine. One, is how little notice this record has gotten. True, no one is all that close, but LaDanian Tomlinson is the most likely candidate, and he is already over halfway there, and he only just turned 28 in June. I would think there would still be some talk, at least whispers, but so far hardly anyone at all has given this a glance.
Two, the amount of difference between Rice and the next closest people doesn't mean as much as you put stock into. Cy Young has many more wins than the next closest pitcher, Walter Johnson, but is that the most "important" record? No, because it is so hard to get to. I'd say it is the HR record. Even without a steroid controversy, Bonds would've still been mobbed.
Bio1590 said 09/13, 08:18 PM
Emmitt broke one record?
So somehow, despite the fact he has the most rushes, the most yards, and the most TDs (both rushing and total) of any RB EVER, he only broke one record?
And you know why Favre has less fanfare? Because >50% of the sporting world agrees he's been around too long and he's hurting the Packers in the long run. He's not even the best QB around anymore. Also, how can you have fanfare about Favre possibly setting 3+ records when you KNOW that unless something goes horribly wrong a player currently playing will smash them in as little as 5-7 years? Everyone knows Manning is going to crush any record Favre sets (aside from the INT record >_>)
Back when Emmitt was in position to break the record he was the best RB around. By the end of the 1998 season (the year Barry Sanders just so happened to retire), Emmitt was already had the most rushing TDs of all time. There was no one around to challenge him. That's why there was so much fanfare.
The TD record is so important because it shows how dominant Jerry was. 32 TDs over the next closest? That's redicululous. Even with only his receiving TDs he has 197, still 22 TDs over Smith.
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I face the Winner, FEAR ME!
Lol, I am not taken seriously...
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/12/07, 03:38 PM
Report Offensive CommentI have to say Rush Yards as well, but I will fairly wait until Bio has his rebutle set...
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/12/07, 03:39 PM
Report Offensive Commenti take you seriously Dfan
EFB.. JL mr. 5555 | 09/12/07, 03:43 PM
Report Offensive CommentOh yeah, by the way, no one vote until Bio gets at least 1 argument in.
Lifer: A Special Boy | 09/12/07, 03:44 PM
Report Offensive CommentReally?
Someone takes me seriously?
As you can tell, I don't take myself seriously...
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/12/07, 03:45 PM
Report Offensive CommentNOT haha
EFB.. JL mr. 5555 | 09/12/07, 03:47 PM
Report Offensive Commentlol that was ****, i was going for a cheap own, any way im about to post a blog check it out.
EFB.. JL mr. 5555 | 09/12/07, 03:47 PM
Report Offensive Commentwhat about sacks allowed?
GirlsRcool | 09/12/07, 03:48 PM
Report Offensive CommentWelcome, Bio.
Lifer: A Special Boy | 09/12/07, 10:40 PM
Report Offensive CommentLT wont break the record unless Phillip Rivers suddenly becomes as productive as your average top flight QB so it will open up more of the offense for LT to be able to repeat what he did last year. The Bears figured out how to stop LT by ignoring Rivers. Every team in the league now has the Bears tape to imitate what they did.
Cassidy's House@HaterNation | 09/13/07, 01:09 PM
Report Offensive Commentgotta go with yards
jeevs BS | 09/13/07, 05:43 PM
Report Offensive CommentTough one....I'll have to say TDs. Rice's record is probably untouchable, that man was on fire! That's what makes in important, because you are going to have to be a damn superstar to pass it! Just because someone is going to pass a record this year only makes it mildly important for that time, but Rice's record may last forever!!
Frauddog | 09/13/07, 06:00 PM
Report Offensive CommentI say Rush Yards, no doubt about it.
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/13/07, 08:23 PM
Report Offensive CommentI kinda ran outta room >_<
Also, there's no real talk of LDT assaulting Rice's record because there's a very little chance he'll do it. Emmitt couldn't do it after scoring 47 TDs in two years, and LDT has already scored 51 over 2006+2005.
95 TDs is a lot for a RB that only has two years until he turns 30 (which seems to be that "magic" age)
Bio1590 | 09/13/07, 08:24 PM
Report Offensive CommentWhat's so special about rushing yards?
What's the difference in the Top 10 for Rushing Yards? 6112 Yards.
The difference in the Top 10 for Total TDs? 91 TDs.
Tell me, which is easier to accomplish? That's right, the yards
Bio1590 | 09/13/07, 08:28 PM
Report Offensive CommentRush Yards get all the hype from the Media.
TD records would be announced more if they were more noticed.
Shouldn't something be noticed in order to be important?
Yards ARE easier to accomplish, BUT if the receiver can catch, he has got another TD under his belt.
The RB has to be good in order to get the yards. He has to run harder and get through holes.
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/13/07, 08:35 PM
Report Offensive CommentIf the receiver can catch, he has another TD? Think about it. 8 WRs are at or over 90 Receiving TDs. There are 13 RBs. There are 11 20-rushing TD seasons. Only 1 20-receiving TD season.
That's why there's only 4 WRs in the top 10 for total TDs? And after Tomlinson and Alexander are done there's likely to only be 3 or less?
You'd think -- Emmitt touched the ball around 3000+ more times than Rice in his career -- that he'd have more TDs.
And why would you announce a record if it's not close to being broken? That's foolish.
Imagine the announcer next week in the Pats-Chargers game if Tomlinson scores a TD saying "and now Tomlinson only needs 94 TDs to tie Jerry Rice for most all-time".
That's like starting a countdown for the next homerun A-Rod hits and saying he needs *insert number here* to catch up to what Barry currently has.
Bio1590 | 09/13/07, 08:49 PM
Report Offensive CommentBrett Favre is close to breaking what, 3 records?
He isn't getting a lot of support for that...
I meant the receiver can catch the ball and make it down the field easier...
The RB has to make it through the Defensive Line, Linebackers, and then Secondary. WR's don't need to worry about the Secondary when they run. The Linebackers aren't fast enough either...
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/13/07, 08:55 PM
Report Offensive CommentYards are tougher, thats what I am saying. Harder to do, more important. I know the TD's don't come by easy, but the yards are harder.
DetroitFan* BS: Is Back Home | 09/13/07, 08:58 PM
Report Offensive CommentWRs don't need to worry about the secondary? Okay.
And it's A LOT harder to score as a WR. Look at it.
Take out Rice and there's 3 WRs in the Top 10. Both Tomlinson and Alexander will finish with more TDs than those WRs. That means that aside from Rice, there will be no other WRs in the Top 6.
And if you had read my argument, I pointed out why Favre has no support:
1) People think he's hurting the Packers
2) He's far from the best QB around right now
3) His records will be broken in around 4.5-7 years. Wow, I'm excited.
Bio1590 | 09/13/07, 09:02 PM
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