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  • 01/17/2011, 04:09PM ET

player conduct policy should SUSPEND players behind on child support

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since sports have increasingly strict player conduct policies...SHOULDNT THE LEAGUES DO SOMETHING ABOUT ONE OF THE WORST EXAMPLES OF OFF THE FIELD CONDUCT????

how many kids nationwide have abandoned kids scattered coast to coast
Travis Henry- 11 kids
Cromartie- 9 kids

JUST THESE 2 IDIOTS ALONE HAVE 20 KIDS!!!



the nfl fines players for wearing the wrong color socks or criticizing a ref...........but its ok for a player to have kids scattered around who arent being supported?

even with a BASE LEAGUE SALARY these guys make 4-5x the median salary in any city where they live



THERE IS NO EXCUSE

if a player is behind on child support they should be SUSPENDED

that is the only way to prevent them from getting behind

with performance bonuses on the line these players will pony up the money


Let me start by saying that the situation is very sad and I feel for the children.

That said, I can't support what The Bear is calling for and I hope you allow me the 3 arguments to explain, because it's pretty complicated.

The NFL, like any kind of governing body, has to consider the ramifications of any law, rule, or punishment that it lays down.

In this case, the precedent of a suspension for failure to properly pay child support can create a firestorm for the league in the future.

* But these kids need their father's support Jolly! *

True, they do.

But the NFL can't begin legislating the employees of its franchises based on how they deal with their finances.

Let me propose a scenario:

Player X has 4 children with one woman, they're married and live together.

But Player X makes several bad investment decisions or blows a great deal of money on a variety of unessential things.

Now Player X can't make his mortgage payment and his kids now face homelessness (this can and has happened).

In a different way, this parent is now failing to financially support his children.

Should we suspend him now?

And would that be helping the situation?


1. in your scenario...PLAYER X just makes bad financial investments.
that has NOTHING to do with this situation

we are talking about ACTIVE PLAYERS...many of whom are MILLIONARIES....not paying child support


2. the player conduct policy can suspend a player EVEN IF that players wasnt convicted of a crime!
i think its a fair statement to say NOT PAYING CHILD SUPPORT OUT OF YOUR MILLIONS IS W_O_R_S_E THAN GETtING IN A FIGHT AT A CLUB.


3. this is a great deterrant
the prospect of not playing is HUGE, esp in an era when so much of a contract depends on performance bonuses, some of which require you to play a certain % of snaps


4. the goal is to get these guys to WRITE THE CHILD SUPPORT CHECK FIRST
i dont care if they choose to make poor investments with teh rest of that check...just make sure their FIRST check is to their kids


5. yes, some women will get "pregnant on purpose" w/ a rich guy...but that still doesnt absolve the player from financially supporting the kid


the worst part of this are the kids that never see or hear from their father.

AND THAT is worse than anything else


Let's address your points:

1) Right here is exactly where companies and governments get themselves in trouble.

They don't think "outside the box" when creating a solution.

Instead, they focus solely on the problem at hand with no thought as to the ramifications of those actions, or the doors those actions can/will open in the future.

If you can't understand how suspending a player for failing to meet a deadline of payment (which is exactly what child support is) leads to other suspensions for failures to comply with other financial deadlines...

Than I can't help you and good luck with that philosophy.

2) I'm aware of this, but the problems that can/will grow from making this decision, far outweigh the benefits. Especially to the NFL's business.

3-5) I can answer all of these by simply saying that suspending players for this action is not the best way to help solve the problem.

Which is what the goal is, right?

Channeling money through payroll GUARANTEES the $ (as long as the player still gets paid) and keeps the NFL from setting a precedent with suspensions.

Plus, not all states have the same laws...

More on that soon.


the NFL can enact player conduct rules that apply to all teams in all states.
just like Walmart or any other national company

so YES...they can expect more from a player




now...the slippery slope argument is weak
we have a 2nd amendment that has been interpreted to say all law abiding americans can own a gun
BUT....we can ban guns from felons...the insane....and we can say a citizen cant own a nuclear weapon
SO YES....we can suspend a player for not paying child support AND not go down the slope where we suspend them for bad investments

that is just plain ****.......



at some point the NFL will have to decide what its purpose is with player conduct
they suspend players who werent even CHARGED with crimes....much less convicted
donte stallworth and leonard little KILLED people and they still play


not paying child support SHOULD be a big no no in a player conduct policy like the NFLs


and you have to HURT the player. if i punish my son by taking away his calculator...he doenst care

but when i take away his Wii...he cares...and he changes his behavior


* The only thing Wal-Mart would do is garnish the wages.

That wouldn't be their decision.

It would be mandated by a court of law.

Which, by the way...

Who said the NFL has to have the power to garnish wages?

That's exactly why you should call your local politicians and lobby for the state to enforce the garnishment of wages in the NFL.

Now it's out of the hands of the NFL, they wouldn't need to worry about setting a precedent (b/c it's out of their hands), and most importantly...

We would have a solution that actually GUARANTEES the $ to the children.

You claim my precedent argument is weak and you call me mentally handicapped.

Obviously you've never spent a day in court or if you have, you don't seem capable of understanding it.

You've spent a great deal of time screaming about how the NFL has suspended players in the past for actions that either aren't illegal or the player was never found guilty.

Therefore, they should be able to do this.

Guess what?

That's a PRECEDENT!

Plus, please don't tell me how to raise children when you can't even stay away from derogatory terms about the mentally handicapped.

That's called hypocrisy.

January 17, 2011  04:13 PM ET

I'm not sure how players get behind on child support. Hardest part is finding the employer to garnish the wages. But as a player in the NFL? Seems odd.

January 17, 2011  04:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'm not sure how players get behind on child support. Hardest part is finding the employer to garnish the wages. But as a player in the NFL? Seems odd.

do a google search on players who go bankrupt

MANY MANY MANY athletes go from multimillionaire to NOTHING in a short term. 5,10 years

its a shame, especially when they leave kids scattered around hurt

January 17, 2011  04:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I'm not sure how players get behind on child support. Hardest part is finding the employer to garnish the wages. But as a player in the NFL? Seems odd.

they all assume when he said he was a ball player that he was in the NBA ...

takes a while for the light to go on ...

January 17, 2011  04:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

do a google search on players who go bankruptMANY MANY MANY athletes go from multimillionaire to NOTHING in a short term. 5,10 yearsits a shame, especially when they leave kids scattered around hurt

I realize that. Obviously in the case of Travis Henry, there's no wages to garnish, But with Cromartie currently playing in the league, I find it odd.

January 17, 2011  04:35 PM ET

Cant argue that....

These dudes are making money hand over fist, take care of your responsibility as a man.

January 17, 2011  04:36 PM ET

you'd think they could afford condoms

January 17, 2011  04:43 PM ET

Like pretty much every other job, they should use wage garnishment rather than suspension.
Let the money keep coming in. Just don't let the offending players have control of it.
If the league has evidence presented from a court that a player is behind, then send the claim over to payroll. Done.
A guy who is so clueless and selfish that he has multiple kids from multiple baby mamas isn't going to clean up his act over the threat of a short suspension. Don't give him the option. Just take his money and reallocate it.

January 17, 2011  04:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I realize that. Obviously in the case of Travis Henry, there's no wages to garnish, But with Cromartie currently playing in the league, I find it odd.

cromartie had to borrow the money from the Jets because he didn't have it ...

January 17, 2011  04:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

do a google search on players who go bankruptMANY MANY MANY athletes go from multimillionaire to NOTHING in a short term. 5,10 yearsits a shame, especially when they leave kids scattered around hurt

ESPN magazine did a story a year or 2 ago and over 70% of NFL players are bakrupt within 5 years of their last game. Keep in mind they're including guys who played as little as one game.

January 17, 2011  04:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

cromartie had to borrow the money from the Jets because he didn't have it ...

Well, if that's the case, garnishment may be more difficult that I thought.

January 17, 2011  04:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Well, if that's the case, garnishment may be more difficult that I thought.

Part of that has to do with the way a lot of these idiots squander their money. Cromartie had to get an advance but he showed up to get it in a $100,000 car wearing $50,000 worth of jewelry.

January 17, 2011  05:01 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

do a google search on players who go bankruptMANY MANY MANY athletes go from multimillionaire to NOTHING in a short term. 5,10 yearsits a shame, especially when they leave kids scattered around hurt

they don't know how to handle their money. they get so much so quickly that they think they're king and go nuts which, in turns, ends up screwing them over much more than it should

January 17, 2011  05:14 PM ET
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Cromartie needed like a 500,000 dollar cash advance in order to pay his child support. That was at the start of his tenure with the Jets. Without a doubt in my mind if the Athlete doesn't care about the child to ever be around it he sure as **** isn't going to care about the payment.

And after looking at pictures of several of the childrens mothers Cromartie obviously believes in quantity over quality.

January 17, 2011  05:16 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

they don't know how to handle their money. they get so much so quickly that they think they're king and go nuts which, in turns, ends up screwing them over much more than it should

Even the ones who don't make a lot squander it. In the ESPN article about all the bankrupt players several said they were spending more then they were making because they wanted to fit in with the other, higher paid players. One of them said you ",...couldn't just pull into practice in a Maxima. You'd better have a nice ride or they'll make fun of you". Idiots

January 17, 2011  05:18 PM ET

and we wonder why so many people say you should have to wait FOUR YEARS after high school to sign in the nba/nfl

part of it is for their own good

January 17, 2011  05:22 PM ET

I dunno about this.... I watch sports to see ridiculous feats of athleticism and good teamwork, not to watch good role models.

January 17, 2011  05:26 PM ET
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and we wonder why so many people say you should have to wait FOUR YEARS after high school to sign in the nba/nflpart of it is for their own good

That works against your argument.... if they don't wait 4 years, they get money quicker, and can pay child support quicker

January 17, 2011  05:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

do a google search on players who go bankruptMANY MANY MANY athletes go from multimillionaire to NOTHING in a short term. 5,10 yearsits a shame, especially when they leave kids scattered around hurt

You'd think agents or someone would teach players how to save for their future. Even players who make league minimum would be a lot better off if they knew how to make fiscally smart choices. I think this is a pipe dream, however, since our society praises the huge house, 5 luxury car lifestyle.

January 17, 2011  05:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

and we wonder why so many people say you should have to wait FOUR YEARS after high school to sign in the nba/nflpart of it is for their own good

Its 3 years in the NFL and one year in the NBA. Trust me neither is for the good of the player and has everything to do with with how teams where getting burned.

I don't like either rule and as I feel both are against the ideals our country says they are for. No one should be able to tell a person what they can or can't do if someone is willing to pay them for their services.

 
January 17, 2011  05:43 PM ET

Sorry but this isn't for the NFL or any organization to decide. This is done on a state by state basis as it should be. You want to make changes in this areas go to your local politicians and go after all the dead beats who don't pay their child support and not just the ones you know about because their athletes. They are just a fraction of the problem.

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