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  • 01/23/2011, 11:38AM ET

NFL team in Toronto?

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I like the idea.

Toronto has a long history of sports and they have a team in each of the other 3 major American sports.
Toronto is the 7th largest city in North America, so they have the population to support a team.

From a marketing standpoint, this would be the only Canadian team in the NFL, so they would enjoy widespread support across the country.
They would also have a lock on the Canadian TV audience

Toronto also hosts a college bowl game (International Bowl), so this is shows there is interest in football.

Canada's economy is doing better than the United States - Financial
The mayor of Toronto has voiced support for a Canadian team - Politics
Toronto has a storied CFL team and regularly hosts Buffalo Bills games. In fact it's estimated that 15% of the fans from Bills home games come from the Toronto area - Fan Base
Canada is much safer than any major American city - Quality of life

Football could potentially become the 2nd or 3rd favorite sport in the city.
Football is a cold weather sport. Having football in Canada actually makes more sense than basketball and baseball.

It makes sense in all the important points


1. Canada's first passion is hockey. We'd be the mistress, but never the wife.

2. This is AMERICA and I care a whole lot more about helping US
We have a HUGE city in Los Angeles that deserves a team before Canada.

3. Football is a cold weather sport? Then why do some colleges in the north have smaller football stadiums than HIGH SCHOOLS in the south?

4. Support
Canada is something like 9 million square miles...and only has 33 million people

Los Angeles has 3.8 million in just the city...10 million in LA County

And California has 37 million people. I think its more likely someone will drive from Sacramento or San Jose to LA to see a game than from the Yukon territory to Toronto.

and unlike canada....Californians L_O_V_E their football as evidenced by strong support for college & pros



5. now...to be clear, this is about MOVING a team....not creating a new franchise
The NFL doesnt need to add more teams. the talent pool is so low right now that we have numerous teams with very poor QBs and has been/never were running backs.


6. BUFFALO can use Toronto
its a short drive. Buffalo can partner w/ Toronto and get the best of both worlds


As far as your points

1. That is a pointless issue. If it was that big of a deal with fans and sports than UCLA would drop their football program and USC would drop their basketball. The fact that they have the CFL, NBA, MLB and a soccer team disproves your point.

2. LA has already had and lost two NFL teams. Why do they "deserve" another?

3. The football season is Sept-Jan

4. Toronto is one of the biggest cities in N. America. Also they would be the only NFL team based in Canada. Fans wouldn't drive to the game, they'd watch it on tv. A Toronto team would automatically have the largest ratings share in Canada.

5. Once the door is officially open, struggling franchises will be lining up.

6. Why would Toronto want to partner with a much smaller city, when they can have their own. It's more likely for the Bills to want to make the full jump to Toronto and beat other franchises to the punch.

As the largest economy in Canada, a franchise would get big corporate money, a large media market and more exposure than smaller American market teams.

A team in Toronto works for the franchise, fans and the NFL


1. ucla getting rid of basketball?, lol
in AMERICA...football is king.in CANADA...hockey is king
football has a better shot at thriving in AMERICA...esp. the 2nd lgst American city

2. you are looking at it wrong
LA is such a strong market that it can lose 2 franchises and STILL have demand for a 3rd
Other cities were able to steal away a franchise bc they could offer to build brand new stadiums & tax breaks

LA is much more capable of sustaining an nfl team.

3. that still doesnt help YOUR idea that football is a cold weather sport
every gone thru 2-a-days in texas? There is a reason HEAT STROKE kills more football players than frostbite

4. having the lgst ratings in canada is like being the tallest midget

I GUARENTEE YOU that the STATE of CA would have more viewers than all of Canada!

5. how many franchises are begging to go to O'Canada? EXACTlY

6. Then why does Toronto have the 4th lowest MLB attendance for 2010?
If it is soooooo big shouldnt there be enough fans to support the team?

Why isnt a Blue Jays player in the top 10 jersey sales? YOU IMPLY that the whole country would support a Canadian team.

your theory doesnt hold canadian water


Let me make this clear. This isn't about LA vs Toronto.

The point of the TD is that Toronto would be a good destination for an NFL franchise.
And yes it is quite possible that LA may also get a franchise.

Let's stick to the topic. I won't mention LA if you won't

Toronto is a great city for sports and has every major sports franchise in the city, with the exception of the NFL.
They have the pop., history, economy and culture to support an NFL franchise

Franchises such as Jacksonville, Minnesota, St. Louis and Buffalo will definitely consider moving to Toronto when the opportunity presents itself.

Toronto as a city has a long sports history and the NFL would be a natural fit. The weather is actually better than places like Green Bay and Minnesota and the city is safer, livelier and more modern than half of the cities in the NFL.

Football is currently a very popular sport and a team owner will take advantage of this opportunity, particularly since they are already are paying the Buffalo Bills to play some of their home games in Toronto.

An NFL franchise will be one of the most popular sports draws in Toronto


and in terms of size of the area:

LA county has 10,000,000

that is 1/3 of the entire population of the COUNTRY of Canada

and i would bet the farm that a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher % of LA county residents are football fans than the % of fans you'd find in toronto

January 23, 2011  11:44 AM ET

Nice start. Being from Toronto, I'm all over the idea and agree that the NFL could move a tad North.

Some NFL purists, may beat you up though.

January 23, 2011  11:50 AM ET

I'm all for the NFL expanding to Canada (rather than Europe) in general.

A lot of people claim the NFL won't be able to break into the CFL market but I believe that's complete bull.

January 23, 2011  11:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

I'm all for the NFL expanding to Canada (rather than Europe) in general.A lot of people claim the NFL won't be able to break into the CFL market but I believe that's complete bull.

I don't particularily care for the talks of European expansion for any of the sports.

January 23, 2011  11:57 AM ET

The NFL would fly in T.O. The city is the 4th largest metro area in North America (not including Mexico City).

January 23, 2011  11:58 AM ET

I'll take Toronto over LA, LA has failed MULTIPLE times at supporting teams, yet the NFL is talking about giving them 2 more....

January 23, 2011  11:59 AM ET

Toronto Bengals. Toronto Bills. Toronto Lions. Toronto Panthers. Toronto Raiders? Hey Al Davis, I promise to build you a nww stadium if you move here.

January 23, 2011  12:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Nice start. Being from Toronto, I'm all over the idea and agree that the NFL could move a tad North. Some NFL purists, may beat you up though.

I also think it would do well in Toronto. Purists may have been all about keeping the NFL "American" a few decades ago but with the global environment and Toronto being a world class city, I think that's an outdated argument.

January 23, 2011  12:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

I don't particularily care for the talks of European expansion for any of the sports.

Agreed.

January 23, 2011  12:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Toronto Bengals. Toronto Bills. Toronto Lions. Toronto Panthers. Toronto Raiders? Hey Al Davis, I promise to build you a nww stadium if you move here.

If i'm from Toronto, I'd actually prefer they start off fresh with a new franchise. But I guess the flip side of that are the losses a new team generally takes and how it effects the fans. But hey they've been dealing the Buffalo Bills for years so maybe they're used to it.

January 23, 2011  12:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I also think it would do well in Toronto. Purists may have been all about keeping the NFL "American" a few decades ago but with the global environment and Toronto being a world class city, I think that's an outdated argument.

Agree for the most part, however unsure if it truly remains outdated. An NFL Team would thrive in T.O., but getting past the red tape (Bills) and some southerners, may be dificult.

January 23, 2011  12:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

I don't particularily care for the talks of European expansion for any of the sports.

I'd rather the NFL take a third attempt at Los Angeles than try for a European team.

That's coming from someone who despises the NFL's obsession with Los Angeles.

January 23, 2011  12:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

But I guess the flip side of that are the losses a new team generally takes and how it effects the fans.

Toronto is the biggest money maker in the NHL - have you seen the maple leafs play? I don't think actual performance matters in that city lol

January 23, 2011  12:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

I'd rather the NFL take a third attempt at Los Angeles than try for a European team.That's coming from someone who despises the NFL's obsession with Los Angeles.

Do you think they'll actually expand into Europe? The travel times would be ridiculous!

January 23, 2011  12:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Toronto Bengals. Toronto Bills. Toronto Lions. Toronto Panthers. Toronto Raiders? Hey Al Davis, I promise to build you a nww stadium if you move here.

Toronto Patriouts, with new and improved Canadian spelling.

January 23, 2011  12:13 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Do you think they'll actually expand into Europe? The travel times would be ridiculous!

That's why I hate the idea. That and I don't believe they'll be able to find 60,000+ NFL fans interested enough to pack a stadium consistently.

January 23, 2011  12:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Toronto is the biggest money maker in the NHL - have you seen the maple leafs play? I don't think actual performance matters in that city lol

Sadly you may be/are correct. I've been a Leaf fan all my life, which is why I don't watch the NHL until the PlayOffs, and the Leafs are golfing!!!

January 23, 2011  12:33 PM ET

LA > anywhere in canada
LA should be the destination for the next team that moves

as for europe...the NFL should keep doing a few games over there.
its a huge market and we could potentially steal some of that talent that would otherwise go to soccer or rugby

plus the marketing would be worth it.

but there is no way an nfl team could move to europe
can you imagine the jet lag when Seattle plays London?

January 23, 2011  12:36 PM ET
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Toronto BILLS

D*mmit pch, I was gonna say Toronto kind of has a team...the Buffalo Bills.

January 23, 2011  12:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

LA > anywhere in canadaLA should be the destination for the next team that movesas for europe...the NFL should keep doing a few games over there.its a huge market and we could potentially steal some of that talent that would otherwise go to soccer or rugbyplus the marketing would be worth it.but there is no way an nfl team could move to europecan you imagine the jet lag when Seattle plays London?

Why should LA-LA Land get a 3rd team? They didn't seem to care when the Raiders left town and same can be said when the Rams left for St. Louie. Besides if LA-LA Land gets another team and they are awful SoCalers will lose interest in their latest new team faster than you could say "SURFS UP!".

 
January 23, 2011  12:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Do you think they'll actually expand into Europe? The travel times would be ridiculous!

If it makes "economic sense", they would. Stern has been on record numerous times saying that European expansion is coming. Matter of when not if....

I don't care so much about the travel times, but TV viewship would be difficult.

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