- 01/24/2011, 10:43PM ET
Warner & Brees said 01/24, 10:43 PM
Anyone who bashes Jay Cutler not only infuriates me, it scares me. I don't see a difference between this and a witch trial few centuries ago.
1. Jay was really hurt. Some stupid **** says "Oh, he could've sucked it up." If you EVER threw a football like a man, which I'm sure all you armchair QBs have not, you have to at least plant your left foot (for a right-hander) to throw a football accurately and hard/far. With his partially-torn MCL, he just could not. He tried to play through it, but coaches took him out of the game becuase the chance of re-injuring it and making it into a real severe problem was high.
2. Jay didn't quit. If he really wanted to quit, he would've when he was losing by tons and playing poorly against the Patriots or some other team.
3. Jay is tough, and a good, franchise QB. He never questions how his OL can't block pee-wee teams, or how his WRs can't run routes well. He never questioned how he has no running game (which comes from OL). He just played and played pretty freaking well, well above any expectation that people had for Bears or Cutler himself. Cutler carried the team to the conference championship.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 01/24, 11:29 PM
I don't think anyone is questioning if Jay was really hurt. The MRI can't be argued. He was hurt.
What people are arguing is that he quit. That is debatable.
Let me give you a couple of examples of athletes playing through pain...
* Brady played with a broken foot for most the year
* Last year, Favre broke his ankle and tore all kinds of tendons in his ankle in the NFC title game yet still nearly won the game.
* Phillip Rivers played the 2007 AFC title game with a torn ACL
That's just 3 recent scenarios, but as a QB, you're looked upon to be a leader. When you say you can't go, you have to be either unable to walk or concussed. When the cameras showed Cutler walking the sideline, if I were a Bears fan, I would be livid.
Of course Cutler's coach and teammates are going to support him because good teammates and coaches don't throw their QB under the bus. I respect Urlacher for defending him. But that doesn't mean Cutler didn't quit. Whether it be the pressure of the moment, the fact he was playing awful, or whatever it may have been, I think he could have and should have played through the injury. The fact he didn't is what would bug me as a fan
Warner & Brees said 01/24, 11:44 PM
What we have to know is that Jay Cutler's injury actually affected how he threw the ball. Planting that left leg (and knee) to throw a football is exceptionally vital for a quarterback. You would know if you have ever thrown a football right.
-Brady-stress fracture-far, far less severe than a 'regular' fracture
-Favre-Ankle is not that important in throwing a football. Mobility will certainly be affected, but still.
-Rivers-ACL on his right leg: which he doesn't have to plant and is far less likely to suffer permanent damage
Also, do you know that Jay's knee was hobbling by the second quarter, but he tried to **** up? After feeling instablity and pain that is common after knee sprain in that 1st series in the third quarter, he was forced out by his coaches, not himself. He rode on a exercise bike to somehow get himself into the game (showing he's a tough son-of-a-gun), but the coaching staff just felt like Cutler would be risking a permanent damage and play like he was seriously injured.
Why not reading what his teammates actually said?
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 01/25, 12:51 PM
Basically, you're way off track with the injuries. Try playing football with a broken leg, destroyed ankle, or torn ACL. It's not easy. And Cutler playing with a sprained MCL would have been difficult.
But this was Cutler's defining moment. This was one of those moments where legends are born. If Cutler had played, he'd been elevated to legendary status in Chicago. You expect your QB to play through pain and be your teams leader.
As your QB goes, your team goes.
I don't think Cutler realized the impact he had on his whole team. When he went out, I'm sure it deflated the morale of the team.
Tell me, who would have given the Bears a better shot: an injured Jay Cutler or Caleb Hanie. While Hanie's mustache was Rollie Fingers-esque, he's 3rd string for a reason.
Do you not think Brady, Favre, or Rivers weren't risking serious, lasting injuries when they played? Brady already had an injury to his knee, but still played through it.
Basically, Cutler crumbled. He had his moment and let it pass. That moment was going to define Cutler and Cutler dropped the ball
Warner & Brees said 01/25, 09:13 PM
This is what Caleb Hanie said about Cutler:
"It just frustrates you to hear that stuff from anybody... I'll just tell you this: The one thing I know...is that HE'S TOUGH. Another thing...is that he's going to STAND UP for his teammates. And he DIDN'T WANT TO LET HIS TEAMMATES DOWN. So if he could have been on the field and been productive at all for the team, he would have done it.''
''He TALKED TO ME. He was VERY ENCOURAGING...For some reason they didn't get the clips of him talking to me standing up when I come off the field, which would have been nice for everybody to see that. But he ENCOURAGED ME before I went in, when I came off the field, between every drive. A FEW of the things he said was, 'Hey, just play within yourself, trust the offensive line, those guys are doing a good job protecting. Just use your legs if you need to and just go make plays and have fun.' He SAID THAT TO ME NUMEROUS TIMES, CALMED ME DOWN, DID A GREAT JOB OF THAT.
To hear that criticism of him, he doesn't care about the game when he's out of the game is VERY AGGRAVATING when you know... I CAN TELL YOU FIRST-HAND THAT HE WAS VERY ENCOURAGING TO ME AND HELPED ME OUT TREMENDOUSLY DURING THE GAME
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 01/26, 04:41 PM
So the entirety of your last argument was quotes from Caleb Hanie? Solid. And you're gaining votes?
Here's the deal, and I've said it many times: I expect the Bears to stand behind their QB. I actually respect them for it. They could have easily showed their frustration but instead backed their QB.
With that being said, facts are facts. If you watched the game, for someone being so supportive and so helpful, he sure was doing a lot of sitting on the bench and appearing to not be paying attention to the game. He may have said something to Hanie when he first went in, but I can guarantee you if Rodgers had went out with a similar injury, he'd had a headset and had been talking to his backup. Guaranteed.
Fact is, when his team needed him the most, Jay Cutler let them down. You don't get to the NFC title game often, especially in a division like the NFC North. It's very likely the Packers could win that division for many years to come, meaning that the Bears would have to go through the Wild Card round. And the odds of a home NFC title game? Slim
Cutler's legacy will likely forever be defined by this one moment.
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