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  • 01/28/2011, 11:04AM ET

SDSU fans shouldnt be upset their coach is going to michigan

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SDSU....you are not an elite school. you are not a final destination.

BUT

you have earned enough respect you will start getting more guys like Hoke. up&comers who will work 80hrs a week to prove themselves

yes, that will be some turnover in the coaching office....but it is the best you are going to get unless you become a periennial power and make a home in the top 25



Hoke said from the beginning that his dream job was Michigan. Obviously he got there faster than anyone expected...mainly bc Michigan's #1 choice turned them down



most of your coaches will stay longer.


so go get that assistant from florida or texas or notre dame who is ready for teh head job. you'll keep him til something opens up at his dream job.

in fact, SELL it to him like that.


win enough & SDSU might just become someone's dream spot to land


Your arrogance is surpassed only by your Alabama blind homerism.


First of all: Of course they should be upset if their coach, who is starting to experience great success, leaves. Any team, regardless of division, ranking or pedigree should be upset by this.

As you know, college sports (particularly basketball and football) gain recruits based upon the team, coach, playing time and past performance; just to name a few. Furthermore, a successful coach leaving, negatively affects the current players on the roster. Some might leave early or even transfer. So yes, SDSU fans have every right to be upset.

Now, had you said surprised, that would be a totally different story. While they have every right to be upset, the can not be surprised.

There was a time when even the heralded coach of Duke was rumored to have other enticing offers. Now we know he did not leave for the NBA, but was this ever a 100% guarantee? No. While you and I would probably agree that he would be crazy to leave, crazier things have happened.

No team is immune to this. Even SEC teams are also subject to the coaching carousel, yes even SEC Football teams.


1. not even my arrogance surpasses my homerism for Bama

2. Did Urban Meyer leaving Utah for Florida destory the Utah program?
NOPE

Recruits know the business of sports. they know they too will have opportunities and may leave a college early or be traded in the pros

Recruts want OPPORTUNITY for EXPOSURE

3. You seem to think that SDSU will attract a Nick Saban or a Jim Tressell
aint gonna happen.

They might catch a Rich Rodriguez type on the way DOWN the latter.....but that shouldnt be there goal


They are not a "destination school". BUT
they are a stepping stone to the highest level.

Few people will go from a "Morehouse State" to a top program

But SDSU is in a position where they will get top coaches. They might not stay forever like the Boise guy...but its better than taking leftovers from USC


4. Yes, even SEC teams see turnover.
In fact Florida was able to attract the guy who was coach-in -waiting at TEXAS
and one of their new coordinators was a former ND head coach...who left a playoff NFL team to go be an assistant.


SDSU is in a good spot. Let them build up and maybe they'll become a top 10 power in a decade or so


Ok, as for your "1"... that is exactly what I said, so you agree with me on that. Good.

What has point number "2" have to do with anything? I never said anything about a coach leaving and destroying a program. I was illustrating why the a coach that is leaving will certainly hurt a program in the short term, which is why they should be upset.

As for number 3. You are changing the TD to be about good programs vs smaller programs. All I said, was all teams can lose a coach to another school and the fans have all the right in the world to be upset.

Your last sentence is very peculiar and has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Anyway, you made a comment below that seals my whole argument, thanks for helping.


When Hoke was hired at SDSU, he informed school officials that Michigan was his dream job. He coached the Wolverines' defensive line for eight seasons before becoming a head coach at Ball State University-- http://www.10news.com/news/26454114/detail.html


Game, set match. The not only should not be upset about this move, they can not even be surprised, which is what the TD is about.


ok...in your last sentence of your 2nd argument you agree with my premise for the TD
do you understand that when you take a TD you argue the OPPOSITE of me?

I SAID they shouldnt be upset he left.
hence, when you take the TD you should argue the opposite of that.....

which you did when you said
All I said, was all teams can lose a coach to another school and the fans have all the right in the world to be upset.

pick a side dude......

this is about recognizing the reality of your situation.
ncaa isnt like the nfl where all teams have a salary cap and can enjoy much closer parity from top to bottom
in the ncaa there are different levels of programs

sdsu is not a top tier program and they shouldnt be mad when a coach comes to them...wins....then leaves for a top program


in fact, it is BETTER for sdsu to catch these coaches on the way UP rather than on the way DOWN


Hoke was up front (which i said) and told them Michigan was his dream job.
Hence, like I said, the fans shouldnt be upset.


strike 3....you're out


Forfeited Turn

January 28, 2011  11:06 AM ET

Is this going to be: SDSU < any SEC team?

lol

January 28, 2011  11:14 AM ET

SDSU is a good team/program

they are about on par with a mississippi state most years

January 28, 2011  11:25 AM ET

Boy I can't wait for the SEC to fall off a bit.. and yes Bear, it will/does happen.

January 28, 2011  11:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

SDSU is a good team/programthey are about on par with a mississippi state most years

sec as a whole for basketball is on a lower tier pal, like the big east in football

January 28, 2011  11:42 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Boy I can't wait for the SEC to fall off a bit.. and yes Bear, it will/does happen.

by "fall off a bit" do you mean we dont win another 5 titles in a row?
maybe we only win 3 out of 5?

would that prove another conference is better if they win 2 out of 5?

January 28, 2011  11:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

sec as a whole for basketball is on a lower tier pal, like the big east in football

in basketball the SEC is more like the patriot league in football

January 28, 2011  11:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Boy I can't wait for the SEC to fall off a bit.. and yes Bear, it will/does happen.

agreed

January 28, 2011  11:50 AM ET

Not all that upset about the leave, Hoke did do what SDSU paid him to do and there is enough continuity in place for a good season in 2011. Not sure Long will be a good recruiter or not, but if he is Hoke deserves a lot of credit for what he did at his tenure at SDSU.

And yes long term if recruiting can come around a bit SDSU can certainly be as attractive for a HC as Vandy, Kentucky, or the Mississippi schools are-for one you don't have to play UF, TENN, UGA, LSU, BAMA, and AU every season. In other words you take the job with a realistic shot at winning your conf, unlike the MISS schools, Vandy, and UK.

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January 28, 2011  01:06 PM ET

My next agrument will put this to rest.

January 28, 2011  01:13 PM ET

Sure, they have a worse program, but does that mean they don't have the right to be angry at Hoke? They couldn't care less how Michigan does, and they want SDSU to succeed, so sure they can be angry. I'll wait to see more arguments before I vote, though

January 28, 2011  02:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Sure, they have a worse program, but does that mean they don't have the right to be angry at Hoke? They couldn't care less how Michigan does, and they want SDSU to succeed, so sure they can be angry. I'll wait to see more arguments before I vote, though

Hoke was up front and honest from day 1
He TOLD them michigan was his dream job

and he busted his butt to get there...helping SDSU along the way

maybe their next coach's dream job will be Texas or Miami. And he will do the same

it's a WHOLE lot better than taking coaches on their way DOWN

January 28, 2011  03:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Hoke was up front and honest from day 1He TOLD them michigan was his dream joband he busted his butt to get there...helping SDSU along the waymaybe their next coach's dream job will be Texas or Miami. And he will do the sameit's a WHOLE lot better than taking coaches on their way DOWN

This is my second argument, and it helps me, not you.

January 28, 2011  03:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

This is my second argument, and it helps me, not you.

I thought you were arguing they SHOULD be upset when the whole thing about him saying MI was his dream job means they SHOULD NOT be upset, which is the other person's position in this TD.

???????????????????

January 28, 2011  05:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

This is my second argument, and it helps me, not you.

actually you should arguing the OPPOSITE of me.

January 28, 2011  05:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I thought you were arguing they SHOULD be upset when the whole thing about him saying MI was his dream job means they SHOULD NOT be upset, which is the other person's position in this TD.???????????????????

They still can and should be upset, just not surprised. Even if you know something bad is going to happen (ie someone close ill with cancer, you are still upset when they pass) when it happens, it is still upsetting.

January 28, 2011  06:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

actually you should arguing the OPPOSITE of me.

he is confused.

January 28, 2011  07:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

The recruiting base here is phenomenal. If I were a big name coach looking for a job, (*cough* Mike Leach *cough*) I would love to land at SDSU. Great recruits, great location, very winnable conference... There's really no reason that SDSU couldn't become the next perennial BCS buster.

I would love for Leach to come on down to SD. It would be awesome to have a video game offense and it would have the bonus of tweaking off ESPN.

January 28, 2011  07:44 PM ET

San Diego is a lot better "destination" than the entire state of Alabama, or for that matter anywhere in the south.

 
January 28, 2011  07:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

by "fall off a bit" do you mean we dont win another 5 titles in a row?maybe we only win 3 out of 5?would that prove another conference is better if they win 2 out of 5?

That argument is not legitimate until there is a far more equitable system for determining a national champion. The entire system of college football is flawed. People say that TCU doesn't deserve a BCS bowl because they don't face the "elite" competition, but that is a product of the system. If recruits knew that they'd have a shot, they might go to a MWC school, or any other "mid-major" conference. Most Mountain West locales are far more pleasant year-round than, say, Arkansas. It's a broken system, and I'm not just talking about the BCS.

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