- 02/07/2011, 12:36PM ET
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 02/07, 12:36 PM
As I'm watching ESPN First Take, Jon Ritchie just said Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL right now. I thought Skip Bayless was the only one who said stupid things on this show, but I'm obviously wrong.
Right now, I would put, at the very least, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning above Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady just won a unanimous MVP award, the first ever. He just set an NFL record for INT ratio with an ungodly 4 INTs in 492 passes. That's just unheard of.
As for Manning, if any team could be compared on an injury level with the Packers, it's gotta be the Colts. He lost his #1 TE, #2 WR, and the defense lost just about everyone in the secondary. Despite that, he got the Colts to the playoffs and a division title. That's hella impressive.
As for Rodgers, he has a great group of WRs and one of the best defenses in the league. He has a former DPOY and one who could have won it this year in Matthews. His defense is better than either Manning or Brady's and he has more weapons offensively than these two had this year.
Let's jump off the Packers bandwagon, ESPN
Serial Dex said 02/07, 12:59 PM
He may not be, but a case can certainly be made for it.
He just won the Super Bowl, not Manning. Not Brady.
Stats over the regular season:
- 3rd in passer rating (Manning was 10th)
- 7th in Yards (Brady was 8th)
- 2nd in Yards per pass (Brady 5th, Manning 18th)
- 3rd in passer rating (Manning was 10th)
- 11 interceptions thrown (Manning 17)
And again, he just won the Super Bowl
Not only that, he finished the Post Season with a 109.8 passer rating.
Mike Ditka said Rodgers had the best post season for a QB in the last 50 years.
In his career, he has a playoff passer rating of 112.6
That's the best of all time. Brady and Manning have career playoff ratings of 88 and 85.
You may or may not agree with the statement, but a case can certainly be argued that he is the best RIGHT NOW.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 02/07, 05:12 PM
You only listed some stats, so let's go all the way
*Completion % - Manning, 66.3% (2nd); Brady 65.9% (4th); Rodgers, 65.7% (6th)
*Yards - Manning, 4700 (2nd); Rodgers, 3922 (7th), Brady, 3900 (8th)
*Touchdowns - Brady, 36 (1st), Manning, 33 (2nd), Rodgers, 28 (6th)
*INTs - Tom Brady, 4; Rodgers, 11; Manning, 17
So, Rodgers never was first in any of those categories and Manning and Brady were routinely first or second.
You can say, because of his Super Bowl trophy, he's the best QB in the game, but that's just not the entire case. Did we consider Trent Dilfer the best because he was the Super Bowl winning QB? No.
Brady was just voted the first ever unanimous NFL MVP. He set a record for lower INT ratio. And Manning is likely to become the highest paid player in NFL history when he signs his new contract.
Rodgers? He barely got his team into the playoffs. If it weren't for the Giants collapsing against the Eagles, they probably wouldn't have gotten in.
To me, if you're the best QB in the game and have the team Rodgers has, you shouldn't be a 6-seed. You should be number 1. Put Brady or Manning on that Packers team and they may be one of the best ever
Serial Dex said 02/08, 01:40 PM
There are three things to look at when deciding who is "the best."
1) Championships. Well he just got done that, in just his third attempt. In fact, this year alone he beat 2nd place MVP finisher Mike Vick. He beat Matty Ice and the Falcons (a team with a bye, as the 6th seed). He beat Urlacher and the vaunted Chicago defense. He outplayed Big Ben and didn't let Troy cause him problems on defense.
They won as the 6th seed, with 0 games at home.
2) Stats: In 11 of his 14 games this season, he threw for more yards than the opposing QB.
In the 2 games Rodgers missed, GB lost both games.
28+ touchdowns in all 3 seasons.
Average of 98.5 passer rating over the past 3 years
3) Persona/attitude on and off the field. He's not a pretty boy that everyone hates like Brady. He's not a criminal (or alleged criminal) like Big Ben or Vick.
Rodgers' name will surface in any discussion on the best QB's in the league.
You're asked: If you had to start an NFL franchise today, what QB do you take?
You're asked: You've got one game, do or die to win it all. What QB do you take?
His name would come up a lot, so to many he is the best right now.
Rudedog: Believe The Hype said 02/09, 01:38 AM
You bring up titles, but don't address the two games he's behind in my rankings
Brady is a 3x champion and is coming off one of the best seasons ever for a QB. He's been to the Super Bowl 4 times and won 3 of them
Manning is a 1x champion who has been to the Super Bowl twice. He's most definitely a winner.
Rodgers is the flavor of the week. He just had a really hot postseason and now we're all giddy about him being so young and playing so well. Like I said, he and the Packers got hot at the right time and the offense was clicking. When you have such a great passing attack as the Packers do and you're all on the same page, you're going to look great.
But what we aren't looking at enough, for whatever reason, is that the Packers were the 6 seed. Why are we just letting that go? Had it not been for a Giants collapse against the Eagles, the Packers may not have even been in the playoffs.
In 7 games this regular season, Rodgers threw as many or more INTs than TDs. Brady did it twice. Manning did it 4 times.
When the offense isn't in rhythm, Rodgers struggles to make plays unlike the other 2. He has a ways to go still to get to the top of the pack.
Serial Dex said 02/09, 01:09 PM
How many times Brady and Manning have been to the Superbowl is irrelevant. That means you are looking at past performance, not RIGHT NOW.
Brett Favre has thrown for a billion yards and a billion touchdowns. He's been to the playoffs 530 times. Does that make him a better QB?
To change it up just a touch, we can compare your comparison to the NBA. Is Kevin Love a better PF than Tim Duncan? Not all time, but right now, I'd say yes. One is averaging like 22 and 15, while the other is averaging 10 and 10. Duncan is better all time, but right now I'd take Love to start on my team.
This is somewhat similar. Yes Brady and Manning have been lights out. But Manning is coming off the worst season in his career (arguably). So RIGHT NOW (as you said twice in your opening argument) Rodgers is better than Manning.
As for Brady, his team hasn't won for 6 years. Yes I know it is hard to repeat in football, but if you have the best QB in the league, shouldn't you make more than 1 Superbowl appearance in 6 years? He doesn't step up in big games.
As for GB being 6th seed, I said they lost both games Rodgers didn't start. Add 2 wins and they are higher seeds.
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