Throwdowns > Closed

Outlaw... said 02/10, 03:02 PM
Must be in order

1. Fedor Emelianenko

Let's see been fighting for over a decade and only has one real loss. Pretty much, you change this, you lose.

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

He has the best BJJ of any HW all time, he has a 32-record. Legendary chin. 20 wins via submission. Back in his prime, the only man that could beat him was Fedor. He could take a beating, and win the fight via arm bar. One of the best technical fighters we have ever seen.

3. Randy Couture

Yeah, he did spend a good bit of time at LHW, but he was still the 3x UFC Heavyweight champion. He's tough as nails, and still is a great wrestler.

4. Mirko Cro Cop

Mirko is one of the best strikers in MMA history. He's lost a touch or two since joining the UFC, but in his day hospital and cemetary struck fear into any opponent. He never was champion in Pride, but keep in mind number 1 and 2 on my list were in Pride as well.

5. Igor Vovchanchyn

Casual fans have never heard of him, but he was a Pride legend, and had a streak of 30 wins in a row at one point. He retired kind of young, but he was a great fighter, and is top 5 all time IMO.

Outlaw... said 02/10, 06:49 PM
I'm a fan of Bas, but I can't have him on my list.

Back when he was fighting, weight classes weren't really there, and evn though he would barely classify as a HW, he was still beating guys that were smaller than him..

He was the King of Pancrase, but those were open weight tournaments, where the biggest competition came from Ken and Frank Shamrock, and the Shamrocks kind of had his number.

Yeah, he won the UFC HW championship in a very controversial decision where Kevin Randleman was on top, but Rutten was given the decision, and he never defended his title, he retired shortly after winning it.

Randy on the other hand is a 3x UFC HW champion, and has defended his title, and even though he fought as a LHW sometimes, he fought against other HWs when he was a HW.

Couture has lost more fights than Rutten, but he also faced much better competition than Rutten.

Randy has also stood the test of time much better, and like any other sport, longevity helps the arguments.

Hell, he beat Tim Sylvia for the HW championship when he was 45 years old.

Randy has held the belt more than any other fighter in UFC history, and is the oldest champ ever.

Randy belongs here.

Outlaw... said 02/11, 07:20 PM
You're saying Randy had to many fights at LHW to qualify?

I think that's pushing given that Bas was fighting mostly open weight tournaments and most of his fights were against mighters smaller than him.

Bas was beating Middleweights, and Welterweights in many fights, and to me that isn't as impressive as beating people that weight the same amount.

It's the pick on somebody your own size deal.

Even if Randy fought at LHW, he is still the 3 time UFC Heavyweight Champion, and has fought better competition during his time.

You're making it sound like Randy was scared of people, and that's never been the case.

Randy is just as fearless as Bas ever was, and I would give Randy the edge in toughness.

Many people still believe that Kevin Randleman beat Rutten way back when for the belt, and I tend to agree. Randleman was on top most of the fight.

I love Bas Rutten, and he's on the top 10 list, but putting him in the top 5, and putting him over the 3x HW champ is pushing it IMO.

Randy Couture>Bas Rutten

Good TD Jim.