- 02/16/2011, 11:48PM ET
Confucius. Trout said 02/16, 11:48 PM
Arsenal beating Barcelona is NOT an upset
Yes, I know Barcelona is considered to be the best team in the world, but Arsenal isn't exactly an underdog.
It's **** Arsenal, not Wigan Athletic or Wolverhampton.
They have a ton of talent.
Fabregas, Nasri, Van Persie (who is red hot), Theo Walcott, and Arshavin (I think he's unfairly treated, Tied for first in the EPL with 11 assists)
Probably a few guys I'm leaving off.
They're 2nd in the EPL, 4 points behind Man U, so it's not like it's been a struggle for them this year. I know the EPL is having a bit of a down year, but it's still the best league in the world top to bottom.
Was it a great win? Yeah.
Was it unexpected? Kind of.
Is it an upset? No.
Arsenal should be able to beat elite teams, and they did.
Argos. said 02/17, 11:47 AM
The definition of an upset, in this contexts, according to the Oxford Dictionary is:
"An unexpected result or situation"
Now to what you said:
"Was it unexpected? Kind of."
Put two and two together, and you admitted this is an upset.
But I wont stop there, even though this TD should be over after that evidence.
Arsenal is a fringe top 5 team in the world, and by most accounts are probably not top 5 but only top 10. Sure they sit second in the Premier, but the Premier has been very disappointing this year and lack the elite teams, they have many good teams but really only Man U is elite.
Arsenal just two games ago on, February 5th, blew a 4-0 lead to Newcastle (a terrible team for those who don't know) with some really sloppy defense.
Arsenal lost last year 4-1 in their first matchup against Barcelona 4-1 (Messi scored all 4 goals), and ended up losing the match 6-3 on aggregate.
Barcelona (20-2-1 in La Liga) was and is clearly the best team in the world. They only have 1 loss all year prior to the Arsenal loss!
Sagna didn't play for Arsenal, a top defender on their team.
Nasri was banged up, another top Arsenal player.
Confucius. Trout said 02/17, 08:39 PM
Dictionary definition? Really.
You say Arsenal is a fringe top 5 team? They're 2nd in the EPL, which you admit has as many good teams as any league in the world, so what if there aren't as many "elite" teams (which really is based on what you consider "elite") they still face good teams on a more consistent basis.
I would put them 4th or 5th in the world right now, and to put that into perspective. That's like the Magic or the Bulls beating the Celtics or Heat or the Ravens or Jets beating the Steelers or Pats, not many fans would consider those upsets.
These are 2 elite teams we're talking about.
Have Arsenal had slip ups? Sure. Every team does. Hell, Man U lost to WOLVERHAMPTON.
Last year? Who cares about last year? Last year Chelsea was great, now they're out of the title race. Things change, young players get better and/or they add new players, and sometimes teams just learn to play more cohesively.
You failed to mention 1 thing, Van Persie. The guy is on fire. When ever a guy of van Persie's caliber gets on a hot streak, the team he plays for has a shot to win.
Being a little surprising and being an upset are 2 different things.
Argos. said 02/18, 04:30 PM
Arsenal isn't top five. Man U, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, and AC.
"...Man U lost to WOLVERHAMPTON."
That was a league game that really meant nothing to Man U. They were getting ready for a big match against Man City the next week, and didn't put together much of an effort.
On the other hand, Barcelona and Arsenal was a huge game, for both teams. For non-soccer fans, it is like the first half of the Super Bowl.
And if the Magic or Bulls beat the Celtics or Heat in the playoffs, it would be an upset.
Van Persie is a great player, but if you asked anyone heading into the game which one player would take over the game, it would have been Messi. While Messi has been even hotter, 7 goals in last 4 appearances and 13 goals in his last 9.
Van Persie being hot shouldn't offset Sagna (their top defender) not playing and Nasri (their second leading goal scorer) being pretty banged up. While one of their best players in Cesc Fabregas (probably their best player when he is going) is playing terrible this year with only 3 goals in 19 appearances. While Chamakh has been banged up and struggling and didn't even play!
Confucius. Trout said 02/18, 05:57 PM
Top 5 is all about opinion I guess, but you have to at-least admit that Arsenal is in the conversation for top 5.
Having a few banged up players shouldn't cripple your team, and clearly it hasn't for Arsenal. And Nasri may have been banged up, but he did have an assist in the game.
"That was a league game that really meant nothing to Man U."
THEY WERE GOING FOR AN UNDEFEATED SEASON. Every game matters when you're chasing history.
You're really underrating Arsenal. They still have a shot to win the premier league. They're only 4 points behind Man U with 12 games left (including 1 against Man U). This is a big time, championship caliber club.
I'm not arguing talent with you, because Barcelona is the better team on paper. All I'm saying is that Arsenal isn't an under dog, and it shouldn't come as a surprise that they could beat a team like Barcelona.
They are talented, they have had a very good season, and they are capable of beating any team on any given day.
Great win. Not an upset.
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