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  • 02/18/2011, 06:15AM ET

Who pays these guys anyways??

(KMac) Lame Sauce (49-53-7) vs DJRoxalot (1085-669-126)
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The fact that Reggie Miller is not even a FINALIST to get into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, is a disgrace to the sport. The panelist of voters should either be fired or forced to retire, and a new panel that actually has a brain should take a new vote.

I would have thought that Reggie Miller would have been a lock for the HOF. Easy lock. Especially with the class he's in this year. His stiffest competition consisted of Mark Jackson, Chris Mullin, Don Nelson, and Dennis Rodman.

He is 12th on the all-time scoring list and up until just recently held the record for most 3-pointers. He also hold the Pacer's team record for points scored in a game with 59. No, he never won an NBA championship, but neither did Karl Malone or John Stockton. I would put Reggie Miller on that platform of truly great players of that golden era, joining Jordon, Ewing, Malone, and Stockton.

Can we please get some justice for the Knick Killer?


Whenever I see this topic I laugh.

I appreciate Miller for what he was. A good/very good player. And yes he beat the Knicks in the playoffs but did he make his fellow players better?

No.

He made just 5 All Star teams.
NBA All Team just 3 times. And 3rd team at that.

He was a scorer and that is it. And 18.2ppg (97th)? He never once led the League in scoring.

He was not a good defender, passer or rebounder.

So was he that great? Or just a good player?

89th in assists
36th in steals (and he was not a good defender, he just played 1,389 games)
spg (1.1)=65th

MJ
Drexler
Ray Allen

were all better during the time he played.

"I would put Reggie Miller on that platform of truly great players of that golden era, joining Jordon, Ewing, Malone, and Stockton."

Miller was a very good player bot MJ, Malone, Stockton, even Barkley and Ewing () were GREAT players.

And not one dimensional.

Good luck, Kody. Always fun.

Peanut Gallery: please wait for 2 arguments before voting. Since FN can't figure out how to fix that glitch.


Let's look at some stats, I know you love them.

Let's take Dennis Rodman, one of this year's finalists. His stat line?

7.3 PPG
13.1 RPG
1.8 AST
0.7 STL
0.6 BLK

How about Chris Mullin?

18.2 PPG (never led the league in scoring either.... oh that's right, he played during MJ's reign)
4.1 RPG
3.5 AST
1.6 STL
0.6 BLK

Now Reggie's stats

18.2 PPG
3.0 RPG
3.0 AST
1.1 STL
0.2 BLK

You talk about how Reggie Miller is only a one way player. Well please tell me how these "finalists" are anything less than one way players?

Rodman was a rebounder. That was it. Mullin was a scorer. That was it.

Look at the teams they were on too. Rodman had MJ and Pippen. If anything they made HIM better. Mullin had Tim Hardaway, Chris Webber, and Latrell Sprewell.

So can you please tell me how this years nominees deserve to be in the HOF over Reggie Miller? A guy who just recently had his 3 point record broken?


"How about Chris Mullin?

18.2 PPG (never led the league in scoring either.... oh that's right, he played during MJ's reign)
4.1 RPG
3.5 AST
1.6 STL
0.6 BLK"

Better stats than Miller all the way around.

And you forgot some:

50.9% on FG's
38.4% on 3-pointers
86.5% on FT's

Miller:

47.1%
39.5%
88.8%

Miller leads in 2 categories, tied in another and is worse off in 4.

Mullin scored over 20ppg 6 times.

Miller? 4 times.

Rodman was a rebounder AND a defender. Scoring, no. 2 out of 3 categories while Miller had 1 out of 3. MJ and Pippen did not help Rodman's rebounding or defense. Did not even help his offense since MJ had to be doubled and triple teamed.

Miller is younger than this years nominees. That is why it is not a big deal. He will be nominated, getting in? That is a different story and I do not think he will.

I do not think this is a big deal.

"So can you please tell me how this years nominees deserve to be in the HOF over Reggie Miller?"

They are not all being inducted.

But the fact the players mentioned won rings, that probably has a little something to do with why they got nominated and he did not.


I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. I'm not saying that Rodman and Mullin don't deserve to be finalists, I'm saying if they are finalists, why isn't Reggie Miller???

And here's your biggest mistake...

"But the fact the the players mentioned won rings, that probably has a little something to do with whythey got nominated and he did not."

Chris Mullin won a ring? When did Chris Mullin win a ring?

Let's see how many of this years finalists actually won rings. Rodman,Jamaal Wilkes, and Maurice Cheeks. Then you have Chris Mullin and Ralph Sampson who did not win a ring, joined by Teresa Edwards (5 time Olympian), Tara VanDerveer (Stanford Women's coach), Dick Motta , Tex Winter, Herb Magee (A division II coach), Al Attles (the VP of the Warriors...), oh and a college referee, Hank Nichols.

Give me a break there's at least 4 people on that list that I would take out and put Reggie Miller in.

Miller wasn't just a great player who could shoot the three and destroy the Knicks, he was an icon and a hero to a city that had no hope until he took them to the playoffs.

February 18, 2011  07:09 AM ET

wtf? he definitely deserves to be in

February 18, 2011  08:01 AM ET

wtf? he definitely deserves to be in

February 18, 2011  08:20 AM ET

wtf? he definitely deserves to be in

February 18, 2011  09:04 AM ET

wtf? he definitely deserves to be in

February 18, 2011  09:08 AM ET

wtf? he definitely deserves to be in

February 18, 2011  09:12 AM ET

wtf? he definitely deserves to be a finalist, and not to ever make the hof

February 18, 2011  09:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

wtf? he definitely deserves to be a finalist, and not to ever make the hof

HUH??? What are your reasons that RM should never get into the HOF?

February 18, 2011  09:48 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

HUH??? What are your reasons that RM should never get into the HOF?

one dimensional, shoddy defender, only made THREE all-NBA teams, and ALL were THIRD TEAM,

Please, had Reggie done his best work vs the Bucks instead of the Knicks- this isn't even a question.

February 18, 2011  09:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

one dimensional, shoddy defender, only made THREE all-NBA teams, and ALL were THIRD TEAM, Please, had Reggie done his best work vs the Bucks instead of the Knicks- this isn't even a question.

RM only made three AS Games? HOLY CR*P I really though he went to more than that. And I can't argue that his D wasn't exactly lockdown either. Great points there.

February 18, 2011  10:03 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

RM only made three AS Games? HOLY CR*P I really though he went to more than that. And I can't argue that his D wasn't exactly lockdown either. Great points there.

Yeah- I've argued the point before.

People seem to think he made 15 All-NBA second teams, lost in the East Finals to MJ for a decade and lead the league in scoring 20 times.

February 18, 2011  10:42 AM ET

The basketball hall of fame is dumb.

It is the weak sister of all hall of fame's. Except maybe Boxings, which is equally ridiculous.

February 18, 2011  10:43 AM ET

Horrible defender.

February 18, 2011  10:45 AM ET

Chris Mullin deserves to be in the basketball hall more than Miller. I'll TD with anyone who thinks likewise.

February 18, 2011  10:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Chris Mullin deserves to be in the basketball hall more than Miller. I'll TD with anyone who thinks likewise.

Don't you mean "opposite" instead of "likewise"?

If they think likewise it wouldn't be much of a TD

February 18, 2011  10:53 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Don't you mean "opposite" instead of "likewise"? If they think likewise it wouldn't be much of a TD

I meant otherwise.

And shouldn't your last post read "the weak sister of all the halls of fame?"

February 18, 2011  10:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#18):

I meant otherwise.And shouldn't your last post read "the weak sister of all the halls of fame?"

Yes - that sounds more correct.

February 18, 2011  10:57 AM ET

I mean, hes only second all time in 3 pointers. Ok.

February 18, 2011  10:58 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Chris Mullin deserves to be in the basketball hall more than Miller. I'll TD with anyone who thinks likewise.

Mullin already is in the HOF. As a member of the original Dream Team. Although I realize you are talking about his NBA career.

February 18, 2011  10:59 AM ET

He was a very good player, not among the best at his position when he played.

And people always mention what he did in the post season? If he won a ring or 2 it might have more merit.

 
February 18, 2011  11:05 AM ET
QUOTE(#21):

Mullin already is in the HOF. As a member of the original Dream Team. Although I realize you are talking about his NBA career.

His entire individual basketball career. He had quite the impressive resume at St. John's as well.

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